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    Re: Should We Give More Support to the Ukrainian Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Which is pretty much what Kissenger and the former ambassador to Russia have stated.
    I take it that you're now a Kissinger fan?
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    Re: Should We Give More Support to the Ukrainian Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    With the Right Diplomacy.....Putin's extension ends with his border.
    That's an interesting theory. Putin sent, as I recall, armed columns into Crimea. You've been in combat before as well. Usually we shot at groups of armed bad guys, we never tried throwing diplomacy at them. Did that work for you?

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    Re: Should We Give More Support to the Ukrainian Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I take it that you're now a Kissinger fan?
    he only has one consistent stance, and that is that whatever US policy is, it is wrong.

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    Re: Should We Give More Support to the Ukrainian Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's an interesting theory. Putin sent, as I recall, armed columns into Crimea. You've been in combat before as well. Usually we shot at groups of armed bad guys, we never tried throwing diplomacy at them. Did that work for you?

    Well.....that's because Putin will do what he can to avoid fighting US ground forces. He knows many of us.....won't take Prisoners. So some serious talk wherein he gets the message. Will work. It takes someone to let Putin understand.....to know thy place on the food chain.

    You didn't think the Russians would allow their access to the Club Med to be taken from them, did you?

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    Re: Should We Give More Support to the Ukrainian Government?

    The current regime in the Ukraine are usurpers who should be crushed.

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    Re: Should We Give More Support to the Ukrainian Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    NO.....the Ukrainian Government is loaded with thugs. Let the Europeans deal with their problem.
    I agree...

    NO!!!

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    Re: Should We Give More Support to the Ukrainian Government?

    I've visited Ukraine many times. It is the largest country entirely within Europe. A vast, complex, and beautiful country with exceptional potential. But it does need deep reform in its governance, judiciary, and the economy. Its high corruption index is a vestige of being joined at the hip to Russia (Czars/Soviets/Russian Federation) for the past 300 years. At independence in 1991, Ukraine and Poland were on a par economically. While a Russian-oriented Ukraine has stagnated, Poland (with EU membership) has become one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Millions of Ukrainians, especially the younger generation who have little or no remembrance of the Ukrainian SSR, desperately seek and demand national reforms which is why they strongly desire kinship with Europe and membership in the European Union.

    Sole reliance on Russian energy is crippling. The industrial base in eastern Ukraine (Donbass) is aging and mired in sectors (iron/steel/coal) with diminishing profitability. But the technical knowledge is there. Russia couldn't fling satellites into orbit without Ukrainian components and assistance. On the flip-side, Ukraine could easily replace France as the breadbasket of Europe.

    Without Ukraine, Putin's Eurasian Economic Union is crap. Putin fears a EU Ukraine. Just as the Ukrainians looked west at Poland's great strides, Putin fears Russians may someday start looking across the border at a democratic and flourishing Ukraine. He will utilize whatever economic and military force is required to prevent this transition from occurring.

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    Re: Should We Give More Support to the Ukrainian Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well.....that's because Putin will do what he can to avoid fighting US ground forces.
    Sure. So if we had been willing to put a 82nd Airborne speedbump in Crimea, he probably wouldn't have invaded. But that didn't happen, and would have been part of "giving more support to the Ukrainian government".

    So some serious talk wherein he gets the message. Will work.
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    Re: Should We Give More Support to the Ukrainian Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Recently the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko appealed to a joint session of Congress asking for more support from the United States. My question is, "Should We Give More Support to the Ukrainian Government? "

    Info here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujSP...RX8-EiaN3XFrSQ
    We should quit supporting anti-democratic coups.

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    Re: Should We Give More Support to the Ukrainian Government?

    The United States has an unequivocal national security interest in countering Russian expansionism. We should provide money, weapons, training and intelligence to the Ukrainian military so they can secure their borders and expel Russian influence in the Crimea. We should further work out a free trade agreement with Ukraine and, specifically, should be making arrangements for Ukraine's energy needs to be met by sales from the West. Diplomatically, we ought to be pressuring Europe into welcoming Ukraine into the fold. A resurgent Russia would be a problem for everyone, not just Ukraine.

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