View Poll Results: Should We Abolish The NEA?

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  • Yes, replace it with nothing.

    23 34.85%
  • Yes, privatize it.

    8 12.12%
  • Yes, localize it and let the states handle it.

    4 6.06%
  • No, keep it.

    22 33.33%
  • No, but it needs strong reforms.

    6 9.09%
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

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    So you think that a modern society can survive without spending money on anything other than its own defense? Please, for once go into detail on how you think this society would work/thrive? Somalia has a libertarian paradise, they only spend money on defense. Tell me, would you live in somalia?
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Mays Lives View Post
    Most extreme conservatives and libertarians fail to realize their ideologies would create a Randian nightmare of a society.
    How odd it is that our society has deteriorated to the point where it is considered “extreme” to think that this nation's Constitution means what it says, and that government is obligated to obey it; while thinking that government should be free to disregard and disobey the Constitution with impunity is not “extreme”.
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Mays Lives View Post
    Actually, it is the very definition of our society failing to support cultural achievement and advancement. Great art is one of the signs of a great culture.
    This cannot be supported with facts unless you define societal support only as public funds. The vast amount of art produced is privately funded.

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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Mays Lives View Post
    Most extreme conservatives and libertarians fail to realize their ideologies would create a Randian nightmare of a society.
    As much as I would like to,mi don't know that I can disagree with you. But we have never experienced extreme conservatism and are not separating from extreme conservatism or libertarianism. So,,while your statement carries truth with it, there appears to be no application.

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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Those programs are "whipping boys" not because of their size, but because of their absurdity.
    Again, I'm all for making the cuts, but I also realize the amount of time we spend debating programs like these would be faaaaaar better spent debating the real fiscal issues that plague this country. It would take significant political capital to eliminate the NEA or the NPR. I'd rather that capital be used to make budget changes that would actually have an impact. The fact is the GOP uses issues like this to appear to be fiscal conservatives because they want to cut a handful of miniscule programs, while they refuse to address the big three debt drivers known as Social Security, Medicare, and military spending.

    And if the GOP is serious about cutting them, then how come the first six years of the Bush II administration when we had a Republican president and a Republican congress, they weren't eliminated? They're more valuable to the GOP as ways to rile up fiscal conservatives without ever having to actually be fiscally conservative. I'll admit, I used to fall for it, but I've since wised up.
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Mays Lives View Post
    Actually, it is the very definition of our society failing to support cultural achievement and advancement. Great art is one of the signs of a great culture.
    Was there no great art produced in this country before 1965? Society can support and encourage great art and other cultural achievements without government being involved. And usually can do it much more efficiently and effectively.
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    One man's art is another mans porn and vice versa. Art is necessary, I mean sometimes it can be stupid or pornagraphic etc. All that is subjective though. Art can also inspire and move people.

    If 100 peices of crap are funded to find one diamond in the rough that may inspire or bring great joy to someone is worth it. We need more beauty in the world, not less. Sometimes however you have to wade through what you consider trash to get there.
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    One man's art is another mans porn and vice versa. Art is necessary, I mean sometimes it can be stupid or pornagraphic etc. All that is subjective though. Art can also inspire and move people.

    If 100 peices of crap are funded to find one diamond in the rough that may inspire or bring great joy to someone is worth it. We need more beauty in the world, not less. Sometimes however you have to wade through what you consider trash to get there.

    I live in a town full of folks who support the arts. I think a lot of what they drool over is ridiculous, but I actually agree with you. What I disagree with, and it is something you only implied is, that the federal government should fund the efforts to arrive at what one finds beautiful.

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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by R-C View Post
    I live in a town full of folks who support the arts. I think a lot of what they drool over is ridiculous, but I actually agree with you. What I disagree with, and it is something you only implied is, that the federal government should fund the efforts to arrive at what one finds beautiful.
    I have no problem with the government funding something as useful as the arts... Be it music, painting and dance etc. Art is as important as any science or athletic programs. The arts are a far to often ignored aspects of our society. I think the government spending on it is fine. Better that than wasting money studying the mating rituals of the mongolian snail.
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    You have again found common ground in that wasteful spending is wasteful no matter whether the object is labeled as art or science. But my primary beef isn't with the arts. The original question was about the NEA and whether it should continue. My primary objection is founded upon the reality that funding of the arts is not a thing the federal gov't has authority to do. There is a great deal of this going around, but little to none can be justified. Should the govt be funding the study of mating rituals? I think not. So I don't see moral equivalency, I see govt immorality which reaches broadly with funding of the NEA being one outlet which was never intended to be open.

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