View Poll Results: Should We Abolish The NEA?

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  • Yes, replace it with nothing.

    23 34.85%
  • Yes, privatize it.

    8 12.12%
  • Yes, localize it and let the states handle it.

    4 6.06%
  • No, keep it.

    22 33.33%
  • No, but it needs strong reforms.

    6 9.09%
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Thread: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    So?

    No one is going to drop dead if some wunderkind painter goes unrecognized.

    Besides, how many of the masses give a rat's buttocks about painting's? Almost none.

    If the public are so desperate for a NEA, they can fund it themselves...through private/corporate donations.

    And if not enough do, then the bloody thing should die.

    This notion that the government should take hard-working, taxpayer's dollars to fund artistic endeavours that the vast majority do not care in the slightest about is ridiculous, IMO.

    The NEA costs about $125 million dollars in tax payer money. Is this such a big fish to fry? Shouldn't we focus our attention on things that actually cause a budget deficit, like I dunno, the Military Industrial Complex.
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Mays Lives View Post
    The typical, superior, boorish stance of your run of the mill libertarian.
    Once you've hit rock bottom it's generally advisable to quit digging. But hey, it's just advice. Take it or leave it.

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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Is it best to have government based on limited functions like protecting people, or one based on funding whatever people like (redistribution)?

    I find the reduction of individual preference to be very uninspiring. And there is something to be said for forcibly taking as little money from people as possible.

    (As for NASA, I would keep the military component and dump the fantasy component. Private industry is stepping up in that area anyway.)

    There is something to be said about taking as little amount possible. The NEA takes approx $125 million dollars in taxes each year to fund, and the number of taxpayers in the US is around 130 million. Comes out to $0.96 a year per person.

    I think there is something valuable that the NEA provides and without the government there to fund it, it would never get $125 million in funding.

    As far as private industry stepping up, I would just have to say that I will believe it when they get us back to the moon, or to mars. There seems to be a lot of effort in that aspect, but saying and doing are two different things.
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by LagerHead View Post
    Once you've hit rock bottom it's generally advisable to quit digging. But hey, it's just advice. Take it or leave it.

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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    The NEA costs about $125 million dollars in tax payer money. Is this such a big fish to fry? Shouldn't we focus our attention on things that actually cause a budget deficit, like I dunno, the Military Industrial Complex.
    I am all for slashing the military budget in 1/2...right now.

    But using the excuse that the NEA is 'only' $125 million is just that, an excuse...no offense.

    Waste is waste.

    And surely, if Americans want the NEA SO MUCH, then they can finance it privately/corporately.

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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Mays Lives View Post
    Congress has the power to provide for "general welfare". There's also nothing in the Constitution that specifically enumerates a good number of programs but, for some reason, conservatives and libertarians seem to get their panties in a twist over that one program specifically.
    General Welfare” was never intended as a catch-all to excuse the federal government illegally usurping any power that the Constitution does not otherwise grant it. If it meant what you think it means, then the Tenth Amendment could not have any meaning.
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Once a society stops supporting the arts, isn't that one of the signs that it's in a downward spiral?
    Surely, a much more ominous sign of such a downward spiral would be a society that tolerates—and even defends—its own government blatantly violating the highest laws on which that society is based—for example, allowing its highest levels of government to claim powers and authorities that the Constitution does not allow it.
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    The NEA costs about $125 million dollars in tax payer money. Is this such a big fish to fry? Shouldn't we focus our attention on things that actually cause a budget deficit, like I dunno, the Military Industrial Complex.
    The federal government does not have the legitimate authority to waste so much as a single cent of taxpayer money on this. I reject your argument that, in this case, stealing is OK because it's not as big as some other instances of stealing.
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Surely, a much more ominous sign of such a downward spiral would be a society that tolerates—and even defends—its own government blatantly violating the highest laws on which that society is based—for example, allowing its highest levels of government to claim powers and authorities that the Constitution does not allow it.
    The Constitution isn't a laundry list of specific enumerated powers. While there are many that are enumerated, there is no prohibition on the Federal Government doing anything that isn't specifically handed over to the states or prohibited by the Bill of Rights.

    The Butler decision was based on that legal tenet. What was decided in the Butler decision as far as eliminating an agricultural program was based on the fact that it was already a power given to the States so the Fed had overstepped. It's sort of the litmus test now.

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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Mays Lives View Post
    The Constitution isn't a laundry list of specific enumerated powers.
    It is that, actually. It's a bit more than that, but in terms of powers of each branch of government, they are exhaustively and specifically listed for each branch.

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