View Poll Results: Should We Abolish The NEA?

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  • Yes, replace it with nothing.

    23 34.85%
  • Yes, privatize it.

    8 12.12%
  • Yes, localize it and let the states handle it.

    4 6.06%
  • No, keep it.

    22 33.33%
  • No, but it needs strong reforms.

    6 9.09%
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by LagerHead View Post
    You apparently don't know much about libertarians or libertarianism. Libertarians object to any government program that picks winners and losers and subsidizing practically anything. To say that we object to one specific program shows that you don't know anything about what we stand for.
    I'm well aware of what you stand for. It's a pointless ideology that looks good on paper but doesn't make a bit of sense when it comes to real world application. Just like communism. Looks great on paper...

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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    The federal government is supposed to be limited, but the "general welfare" is an unlimited statement. That is a contradiction.

    Actually, the federal government has specific powers, which are described as being for the general welfare.
    no, the article states "AND provide for the general welfare".

    As long as the power is not delegated to another branch or to the the States by the 10th Amendment, any program or expenditure that falls under the concern of the government for the health, peace, morality and safety of its citizens is left to the Congress. United States v Butler decided that one.

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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Personally, my opinion is the federal government should not be spending taxpayer's money on such things. There are plenty of well to do folks who love the arts and can fund their local art scenes. It would also eliminate the controversies that arise when the NEA ends up funding some goofy piece of shock art that's entire purpose seems to be to offend vast swaths of the nation.

    I will say, one issue I have with a lot folks who rail against the NEA (and NPR, and foreign aid, and a few other programs that are traditionally whipping boys of the fiscal right) is that the NEA is soooooooo small in scope of the federal budget. Would cutting it help reduce the deficit. Sure, in the same sense that me removing a cup of water from the ocean would make it "smaller". Or me ordering a McDonald's value meal and because I decided not to dip one of my fries in ketchup declaring that to be a diet. If you're serious about fiscal conservatism, then you have to recognize that the NEA isn't worth the political capital it would take to cut it. There's always a ruckus stirred up over it every few years (usually an election year) so various politicians can show what "staunch fiscal conservatives" they are despite offering no meaningful solutions to our fiscal issues.

    Its just red meat for red voters, nothing more. Hell, the GOP would probably secretly be disappointed if the NEA got cut. They'd lose one of their best whipping boys.
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Mays Lives View Post
    I'm well aware of what you stand for. It's a pointless ideology that looks good on paper but doesn't make a bit of sense when it comes to real world application. Just like communism. Looks great on paper...
    Your ignorance is duly noted. Thanks for playing.

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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Mays Lives View Post
    no, the article states "AND provide for the general welfare".

    As long as the power is not delegated to another branch or to the the States by the 10th Amendment, any program or expenditure that falls under the concern of the government for the health, peace, morality and safety of its citizens is left to the Congress. United States v Butler decided that one.
    There is no limits to such a "general welfare" power. Anything can be passed by Congress under such a description. Thus, it renders the enumerated powers doctrine and the 10th amendment useless. That is why it is used in a preamble-like phrase.

    It was decided in 1787 what it means. I have no interest in what a packed court said in 1936. Courts are secondary sources, not primary sources, and are as politically motivated as any other entity in government.
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Personally, my opinion is the federal government should not be spending taxpayer's money on such things. There are plenty of well to do folks who love the arts and can fund their local art scenes. It would also eliminate the controversies that arise when the NEA ends up funding some goofy piece of shock art that's entire purpose seems to be to offend vast swaths of the nation.

    I will say, one issue I have with a lot folks who rail against the NEA (and NPR, and foreign aid, and a few other programs that are traditionally whipping boys of the fiscal right) is that the NEA is soooooooo small in scope of the federal budget. Would cutting it help reduce the deficit. Sure, in the same sense that me removing a cup of water from the ocean would make it "smaller". Or me ordering a McDonald's value meal and because I decided not to dip one of my fries in ketchup declaring that to be a diet. If you're serious about fiscal conservatism, then you have to recognize that the NEA isn't worth the political capital it would take to cut it. There's always a ruckus stirred up over it every few years (usually an election year) so various politicians can show what "staunch fiscal conservatives" they are despite offering no meaningful solutions to our fiscal issues.

    Its just red meat for red voters, nothing more. Hell, the GOP would probably secretly be disappointed if the NEA got cut. They'd lose one of their best whipping boys.
    Those programs are "whipping boys" not because of their size, but because of their absurdity.
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by LagerHead View Post
    Your ignorance is duly noted. Thanks for playing.
    The typical, superior, boorish stance of your run of the mill libertarian.

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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    There is no limits to such a "general welfare" power. Anything can be passed by Congress under such a description. Thus, it renders the enumerated powers doctrine and the 10th amendment useless. That is why it is used in a preamble-like phrase.

    It was decided in 1787 what it means. I have no interest in what a packed court said in 1936. Courts are secondary sources, not primary sources, and are as politically motivated as any other entity in government.
    Actually it was not decided. And the "packed court" in 1936 decided in your favor concerning the program in question. The reasoning for the ruling, however, determined how broad or limited the general welfare clause is.

    And the courts are the designated authorities for interpretation of Constitutional questions. It is one of the three branches and has that delegated power, despite much gnashing of teeth. You cannot negate its rulings just because they are inconvenient to your argument.

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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    I find art offensive. Just like some people find The Nativity offensive. Since some places ban Nativity scenes we should ban all art.
    Because you find it offensive?
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    Re: Should The National Endowment For The Arts (NEA) Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    1) He said nothing about NASA.

    2) why don't you ask him what he thinks about a subject (NASA) before you (virtually) put words in his mouth on it?
    I was giving an example of something we dumped for financial reasons that gave people inspiration.
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