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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Today, Congress is determining if we should give funds to Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels. So that they can fight ISIS. The Problem is the Syrian Rebels are not able to be trusted. They have used Chems and all they care about is removing Assad. Even their top commanders are all for a government that would be acceptable With Sharia Law.

    They will say and do anything to get backing and assistance.....they have also pledged against the US. At least 29 opposition groups. While it is understandable to have the need to take on ISIS. This is a mistake waiting to Happen. What say ye?
    I don't have military, state department or intelligence advisers but armed with what I think I know now, no. I think we should handle it from the air and try to contain the problem. In the meantime, concurrently start treating advancing cars like the Nissan Leaf, Chevy Volt and Tesla Model-S that don't require petroleum like the national security emergency it is and stop with the sometimes divisive climate change argument.
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Today, Congress is determining if we should give funds to Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels. So that they can fight ISIS. The Problem is the Syrian Rebels are not able to be trusted. They have used Chems and all they care about is removing Assad. Even their top commanders are all for a government that would be acceptable With Sharia Law.

    They will say and do anything to get backing and assistance.....they have also pledged against the US. At least 29 opposition groups. While it is understandable to have the need to take on ISIS. This is a mistake waiting to Happen. What say ye?

    Not only no but **** no.

    1.We have no way of knowing if these are the good rebels or the bad rebels.

    2.These people we train and give weapons to can turn on us and or use their training and weapons against innocent civilians. Friends can become enemies and the one thing I d not want them to have is our know how and weapons.

    3.We should not be training and arming rebels in any country.What goes on in another country is none of our ****en business. Many of these same people arguing we should train these rebels would be screaming bloody murder if another country did that to us or are screaming bloody murder at Russia arming the Ukrainian rebels.
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think you are right on that. Then that will leave the reconstituted Iraqi Army as the Kurds are not going to roam very far from their own home territory. Another possibility this administration is missing is Assad's army. I know the president is dead set on Assad's ouster which I think is a mistake. But before all this is done and over with, this administration will have to either determine which force, ISIS or Assad is the lesser of two evils. Which if one survives would be less a threat to the U.S. I know my answer.

    I personally would rather leave Assad in power and be rid of ISIS. Assad at least would rule over a stable Syria, he may be a bastard of the least worst kind, but he is better than an ISIS caliphate.
    Yes, well president Assad is bushels better then the Islamic State, and that should be a no brainer, can't figure out the hesitation on this, and, had we supported president Assad from the beginning, the conflict would have ended as soon as it started, there wouldn't have been 170,000 dead Syrians nor the vacuum that has given rise to the Islamic State. President Assad has been battling these militant Islamic extremists that were doing nothing more then tacking advantage of the Arab spring, and due to a long standing US desire for regime change in Syria, those groups of radicals have had US support and it has essentially backfired, and our interference, intervention, subterfuge, intrigue, regime change etc., in the ME has been just what that element in the Muslim community that has wanted to create an Islamic State Caliphate, have been waiting for, and they have rushed in to fill the voids. We, have unleashed a monster here with far more power and resources then al Qaeda or any other terrorist group in the ME. and even with 4,500 lost soldiers, 1-1/2 trillion dollars in a dozen years, AQ lives. And we have people here defending US policy in the Middle East! I don't understand this one bit.
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I don't have military, state department or intelligence advisers but armed with what I think I know now, no. I think we should handle it from the air and try to contain the problem. In the meantime, concurrently start treating advancing cars like the Nissan Leaf, Chevy Volt and Tesla Model-S that don't require petroleum like the national security emergency it is and stop with the sometimes divisive climate change argument.
    Heya Sméagol. These terrorists are already spreading. They cannot be contained by just Air Strikes. It will require Boots on the ground. They don't have to be all of ours. Everyone should get in on this. All need the practice anyways.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    If we give them nukes, perhaps they will glass themselves hmm?
    I wouldn't give them the nukes, lease them perhaps? Say they lease for a certain term coverage for a particular target if meeting certain conditions. Or sell them tactical nuclear strikes perhaps. They get all the benefits of nukes without the hassle of owning them.
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, well president Assad is bushels better then the Islamic State, and that should be a no brainer, can't figure out the hesitation on this, and, had we supported president Assad from the beginning, the conflict would have ended as soon as it started, there wouldn't have been 170,000 dead Syrians nor the vacuum that has given rise to the Islamic State. President Assad has been battling these militant Islamic extremists that were doing nothing more then tacking advantage of the Arab spring, and due to a long standing US desire for regime change in Syria, those groups of radicals have had US support and it has essentially backfired, and our interference, intervention, subterfuge, intrigue, regime change etc., in the ME has been just what that element in the Muslim community that has wanted to create an Islamic State Caliphate, have been waiting for, and they have rushed in to fill the voids. We, have unleashed a monster here with far more power and resources then al Qaeda or any other terrorist group in the ME. and even with 4,500 lost soldiers, 1-1/2 trillion dollars in a dozen years, AQ lives. And we have people here defending US policy in the Middle East! I don't understand this one bit.
    Qaddafi kept a lid on the terrorist, regime change and look at Libya now. It is a hundred times worst off than prior to regime change. Syria I think will follow that model. If we as a nation want to deal with ISIS and be done with it, I think we have no choice but to make nice with Assad and use his troops, some 250,000 of them if we want to keep Americans combat forces out of Iraq or involved in this mess. The Kurds are not the answer, they won't drift far from home. The Iraqi forces are a force without will. They have the means, they had the training, but they do not have the will. At least Assad's troops will fight, whether they believe in Assad or are too afraid of him, it does not really matter. They will fight which is something the Iraqi Army won't.

    I am not sure what our middle east policy is. So in a sense we can not approve or disapprove of it if we do not know what it is. Outside of reaction to events after they happen, what is it?
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Not only no but **** no.

    1.We have no way of knowing if these are the good rebels or the bad rebels.

    2.These people we train and give weapons to can turn on us and or use their training and weapons against innocent civilians. Friends can become enemies and the one thing I d not want them to have is our know how and weapons.

    3.We should not be training and arming rebels in any country.What goes on in another country is none of our ****en business. Many of these same people arguing we should train these rebels would be screaming bloody murder if another country did that to us or are screaming bloody murder at Russia arming the Ukrainian rebels.
    Seems strange that congress is only just now being asked to approve what the Obama administration has been doing all along at least in somewhat of a clandestine fashion.

    The main Syrian opposition body - the Syrian coalition - receives logistic and political support from major Sunni states in the Middle East, most notably Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. France, Britain and the US have also provided political, military and logistic support to the opposition.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forei...rian_Civil_War
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Qaddafi kept a lid on the terrorist, regime change and look at Libya now. It is a hundred times worst off than prior to regime change. Syria I think will follow that model. If we as a nation want to deal with ISIS and be done with it, I think we have no choice but to make nice with Assad and use his troops, some 250,000 of them if we want to keep Americans combat forces out of Iraq or involved in this mess. The Kurds are not the answer, they won't drift far from home. The Iraqi forces are a force without will. They have the means, they had the training, but they do not have the will. At least Assad's troops will fight, whether they believe in Assad or are too afraid of him, it does not really matter. They will fight which is something the Iraqi Army won't.

    I am not sure what our middle east policy is. So in a sense we can not approve or disapprove of it if we do not know what it is. Outside of reaction to events after they happen, what is it?
    al Sadr in Iraq has a 100K Shia Militias to go fight with.....but this will just spark off more sectarian conflict. Which has already spread beyond Iraq. Look at the Shia in Yemen and Bahrain.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Qaddafi kept a lid on the terrorist, regime change and look at Libya now. It is a hundred times worst off than prior to regime change. Syria I think will follow that model. If we as a nation want to deal with ISIS and be done with it, I think we have no choice but to make nice with Assad and use his troops, some 250,000 of them if we want to keep Americans combat forces out of Iraq or involved in this mess. The Kurds are not the answer, they won't drift far from home. The Iraqi forces are a force without will. They have the means, they had the training, but they do not have the will. At least Assad's troops will fight, whether they believe in Assad or are too afraid of him, it does not really matter. They will fight which is something the Iraqi Army won't.

    I am not sure what our middle east policy is. So in a sense we can not approve or disapprove of it if we do not know what it is. Outside of reaction to events after they happen, what is it?
    Official Washington’s ever-influential neoconservatives and their “liberal interventionist” allies see President Barack Obama’s decision to extend U.S. airstrikes against Islamic State terrorists into Syria as a new chance to achieve the long-treasured neocon goal of “regime change” in Damascus.

    On the surface, Obama’s extraordinary plan to ignore Syrian sovereignty and attack across the border has been viewed as a unilateral U.S. action to strike at the terrorist Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), but it could easily evolve into a renewed effort to overthrow Bashar al-Assad’s government, ironically one of ISIS’s principal goals.

    ISIS began as part of the Sunni resistance to George W. Bush’s invasion of Iraq which had elevated Iraq’s Shiite majority to power. Then known as “al-Qaeda in Iraq,” the terrorist group stoked a sectarian war by slaughtering Shiites and bombing their mosques.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    The us doesn't give a crap about sovereignty, unless it's politically expedient, as in the case with Ukraine, suddenly Ukrainian sovereign borders are very important and we have all the hand wringing over Putin tending to his interests there.

    In his national address Wednesday, Obama said he will order U.S. air attacks across Syria’s border without any coordination with the Syrian government, a proposition that Damascus has denounced as a violation of its sovereignty. Thus, the argument will surely soon be heard in Washington that Assad’s government must be removed as a military prerequisite so the attacks on ISIS can proceed. Otherwise, there could be a threat to U.S. aircraft from Syria’s air defenses.

    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/11...e-change-plan/

    "The United States would retaliate against Syrian President Bashar Assad's air defenses if he were to go after American planes launching airstrikes in his country, senior Obama administration officials said Monday."
    These "senior officials" delivered an explicit threat against Assad. They said that any Syrian attempt to enforce that nation's sovereignty would provoke US attacks on Syrian air defenses.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 09-17-14 at 07:14 PM.
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