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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The 9/11 hijackers were almost all Saudis. They trained in American flight schools. They didn't need the Taliban in Afghanistan to pull it off.

    Yes, its a politically corrupt and ineffective state. The world is full of Islamists looking to take advantage of such weakness. Once again, what is the point of helping them if they can't defeat ISIS? Defeating ISIS won't make Iraq a model of democracy and good governance, it will just move one bunch of Islamic thugs out so another can take its place.
    You are neglecting the part where they were trained in Afghanistan, or how Al Qaeda, the organization responsible for the attack, was based in Afghanistan. Don't get cute with the facts please. And if it take Iraq putting the jackboot to it's people to get things in order, at this point, I'm all for it.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The last CIA assessment put the total number at about 31k. Even if it were 30k in Iraq, my point still stands. If an active force of 271,500 trained military personnel cannot defeat a bunch of untrained thugs numbering around 30,000, then what is the point of helping them? If the Iraqi military is that weak and ineffective, then even if we killed every member of ISIS, some other bunch of Islamists would just rise up and take their place.

    That's the point though.....ISIS has trained Military all from Saddam's Regime. A Chechen is running the Invisible Sheiks campaign in Syria. They have many experienced fighters. But they are continuing to recruit and this doesn't count the 30-40 Suicide Bombers they are sending out a week.


    Islamic State 'has 50,000 fighters in Syria'......

    The Islamic State group has an army of more than 50,000 fighters in Syria, and recruited 6,000 people in the last month, a monitoring group has said. "July saw the largest recruitment since the group appeared in Syria in 2013, with more than 6,000 new fighters," he said.

    "The number of IS fighters has passed 50,000 in Syria, including 20,000 non-Syrians," he said. Al Jazeera cannot verify the observatory's figures. However, an Islamic State source backed the statement and told Al Jazeera that the group also had 30,000 fighters in Iraq.....snip~

    Islamic State 'has 50,000 fighters in Syria' - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

    So if BO and his Team are planning anything for just 30k.....we will be walking into a Hornets nest times 2. That's enough for 8 divisions.
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Nope. Absolutely not. Throughout history there are many instenses of using arming some "rebel group" turns around and bites us in the ass. And also because the FSA, yea some are moderate, but there are many hardcore extremists as well in the FSA. Its a loosely aligned, weak group of rebels.


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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep, and those swelling numbers in Syria are due in large part to the so-called moderate (though I've never believed they were, and have pointed it out all along) rebels joining the Islamic State ranks!
    That's Right Monte. 29 Opposition groups and Civilian Committees. Which was back in 2012. Now even more.

    Those civilian committees pretty much says it all.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Today, Congress is determining if we should give funds to Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels. So that they can fight ISIS. The Problem is the Syrian Rebels are not able to be trusted. They have used Chems and all they care about is removing Assad. Even their top commanders are all for a government that would be acceptable With Sharia Law.

    They will say and do anything to get backing and assistance.....they have also pledged against the US. At least 29 opposition groups. While it is understandable to have the need to take on ISIS. This is a mistake waiting to Happen. What say ye?
    First off, I don't think we should concern ourselves with the form of government they take in Syria. It's none of our business. As long as they are not threatening our assets, respecting our embassy, and playing nice diplomatically whether they have a sharia compliant form of government or not is none of our concern.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You are talking about what things have evolved to. Again, I'm not arguing we should support the rebels at this point, as that well is very much tainted. All I know is that in very beginning, when this civil war could of been averted, Assad chose to drop the hammer as he has always done because he's a Dictator who loves to abuse his power. It's only because of what that Rebels have become that I say we shouldn't support them. Still, that doesn't change the lesson from history, that if you support a dictator's government (either directly, or indirectly by not providing help when needed) it will come back to bite you in the ass like it did with the Shah.

    Oh, and Bush also told us what a great friend Putin was.... how did that turn out?


    Well.....what was Assad suppose to do finding out the MB and those who his father exiled.....but didn't kill. Were back stirring things up. I don't condone him for going after any innocents. But the MB used gangs of youths to run around and graffiti things up.

    So Assad cracked down....and all knew he wouldn't care if the MB hid behind civilians, Women and Children. Using the Hamas format.

    Yeah so far 10 all against arming the Rebels.....so far no BO Bots in supporting. Nor Neo Cons.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Mays Lives View Post
    First off, I don't think we should concern ourselves with the form of government they take in Syria. It's none of our business. As long as they are not threatening our assets, respecting our embassy, and playing nice diplomatically whether they have a sharia compliant form of government or not is none of our concern.
    What part about them pledging against the US wasn't a concern, again?

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    What part about them pledging against the US wasn't a concern, again?
    I didn't make a comment about them pledging against the US. I strictly commented on their form of government they choose. If you'll read again, you'll also notice that it came with some very specific conditions such as not threatening our assets, respecting our embassy and playing nice diplomatically.

    As for them pledging against the US, that would mean all bets are off and we don't arm or train. In fact, we go in with our own troops, do it for them and in compensation, dictate to them what government they will have and how their resources will be spent.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well.....what was Assad suppose to do finding out the MB and those who his father exiled.....but didn't kill. Were back stirring things up. I don't condone him for going after any innocents. But the MB used gangs of youths to run around and graffiti things up.

    So Assad cracked down....and all knew he wouldn't care if the MB hid behind civilians, Women and Children. Using the Hamas format.

    Yeah so far 10 all against arming the Rebels.....so far no BO Bots in supporting. Nor Neo Cons.
    Yeah but look what happened to the MB back then. I know we like to just think of MB as the crazy guys who took over Egypt for a short period of time, but back when they were a political party, there were banned from the country, made a capital punishment to be a part of the party. If that **** happened here, I'd probably be supporting them... at least up until the point the were going to cut my head off at least.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    What part about them pledging against the US wasn't a concern, again?
    Quote Originally Posted by John Mays Lives View Post
    I didn't make a comment about them pledging against the US. I strictly commented on their form of government they choose. If you'll read again, you'll also notice that it came with some very specific conditions such as not threatening our assets, respecting our embassy and playing nice diplomatically.

    As for them pledging against the US, that would mean all bets are off and we don't arm or train. In fact, we go in with our own troops, do it for them and in compensation, dictate to them what government they will have and how their resources will be spent.
    When did this conversation turn into Greek Week and Frat Parties?

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