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Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

Should the US Arm & Train the Syrian Rebels?


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Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

Today, Congress is determining if we should give funds to Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels. So that they can fight ISIS. The Problem is the Syrian Rebels are not able to be trusted. They have used Chems and all they care about is removing Assad. Even their top commanders are all for a government that would be acceptable With Sharia Law.

They will say and do anything to get backing and assistance.....they have also pledged against the US. At least 29 opposition groups. While it is understandable to have the need to take on ISIS. This is a mistake waiting to Happen. What say ye?
Hey M, one HUGE problem I see with the plan as reported is that it virtually invites the murder of our "trainers" by infiltrators in the ranks of the Syrian Rebels.
That s**t already went on everywhere we've been and with the uncertain nature of the rebel ranks it can easily get much worse.
 
Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

That's what stumps me as well. If its oil, that backfires because production in Libya has dropped from 1.3 million barrels a day under Gaddafi to just 300,000 now. Syria's not a big oil producer, but some have claimed a oil/gas line through Syria to the EU that Assad wouldn't go for???

Hmm. This may sound far fetched. But doesn't Russia now supply most or quite a portion of the natural gas used in Europe? Oil too I suppose. Now if a pipeline through Syria to Europe would give the Europeans another means or supplier to obtain their oil and natural gas. Now with Assad and Putin being friends...

I don't know any of this, it just popped into my mind when I read your post.
 
Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

Hmm. This may sound far fetched. But doesn't Russia now supply most or quite a portion of the natural gas used in Europe? Oil too I suppose. Now if a pipeline through Syria to Europe would give the Europeans another means or supplier to obtain their oil and natural gas. Now with Assad and Putin being friends...

I don't know any of this, it just popped into my mind when I read your post.

Well certainly Putin would want, and Russia needs to remain the primary supplier to the EU. But! As Russia's ally, it makes sense that Syria wouldn't agree to a pipeline through their country that would harm Russia, and what's wrong with that. But now then, I can think of plenty that would be wrong with the US removing president Assad to accommodate that.
 
Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

Well certainly Putin would want, and Russia needs to remain the primary supplier to the EU. But! As Russia's ally, it makes sense that Syria wouldn't agree to a pipeline through their country that would harm Russia, and what's wrong with that. But now then, I can think of plenty that would be wrong with the US removing president Assad to accommodate that.

So can I. It is my opinion that the forced removal of Assad would leave Syria worse off than Libya and probably with a government much more anti-American than Assad's. Syria would be home to an Islamist Republic and most likely become a training ground for terrorist worldwide to do their thing for their god. Namely destroy all infidels and people who do not believe as they do.
 
Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

So can I. It is my opinion that the forced removal of Assad would leave Syria worse off than Libya and probably with a government much more anti-American than Assad's. Syria would be home to an Islamist Republic and most likely become a training ground for terrorist worldwide to do their thing for their god. Namely destroy all infidels and people who do not believe as they do.

That's it right there Pero!
 
Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

So can I. It is my opinion that the forced removal of Assad would leave Syria worse off than Libya and probably with a government much more anti-American than Assad's. Syria would be home to an Islamist Republic and most likely become a training ground for terrorist worldwide to do their thing for their god. Namely destroy all infidels and people who do not believe as they do.

Totally agree! As I've posted before, Assad may be a bastard, but his people like him - who are we to want him removed? Just because some crazy rebels want to take the majority back to the stone age doesn't mean we have to help them do it! Sheesh! :thumbdown: Does Obama want WW3?
 
Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

This is like asking, "should the US train and arm its future enemies"... :roll:
 
Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

Realistically, I think the window for this program to work well has closed. We had an opportunity and chose instead to hope that the problem would just sort of solve itself.
 
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Totally agree! As I've posted before, Assad may be a bastard, but his people like him - who are we to want him removed? Just because some crazy rebels want to take the majority back to the stone age doesn't mean we have to help them do it! Sheesh! :thumbdown: Does Obama want WW3?

No, I don't think he does. But on the other hand I do not think he thinks. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to take a good gander at Syria and all that is happening nowadays to realize that Assad is probably our best hope for some sense of stability in the region. We may not like him and he may not like us, but a stable Syria is a whole lot better than what is likely to follow. My opinion anyhow.
 
Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

Hey M, one HUGE problem I see with the plan as reported is that it virtually invites the murder of our "trainers" by infiltrators in the ranks of the Syrian Rebels.
That s**t already went on everywhere we've been and with the uncertain nature of the rebel ranks it can easily get much worse.



Mornin' B. :2wave: That is one of those problems that come with these associations. But the Saud assures us if they are trained in Saudi Arabia. We should be aww'ight. :roll:

House passed the funding with both parties' members being all over the place. Today the Senate takes up the issue. It's expected to pass.
 
Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

Mornin' B. :2wave: That is one of those problems that come with these associations. But
the Saud assures us if they are trained in Saudi Arabia. We should be aww'ight.
:roll:

House passed the funding with both parties' members being all over the place. Today the Senate takes up the issue. It's expected to pass.


Well then

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There can't be many Islamic radicals in Saudi Arabia.
 
Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

Well then

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There can't be many Islamic radicals in Saudi Arabia.


That really sucks.....he just gave them 600 mil back in June. Now he wants to give these MB backed Rebels more and he will make sure they are to Rebels not in Alliance with ISIS?


Whats going to be real interesting is.....what takes place with al Nusra who stole some UN equipment and.....and, Uniforms.
 
Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

That really sucks.....he just gave them 600 mil back in June. Now he wants to give these MB backed Rebels more and he will make sure they are to Rebels not in Alliance with ISIS?


Whats going to be real interesting is.....what takes place with al Nusra who stole some UN equipment and.....and, Uniforms.

It's almost like he's trying to damage the Country at home & abroad ... you don't think he would actually ........................................
 
Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

It's almost like he's trying to damage the Country at home & abroad ... you don't think he would actually ........................................


Nah.....he is looking to play it safe with his own self. Which he will do for his last 2 years. To much ego to not worry about how he will look in history.

Although when he hits pasture.....he will find out. Not many will be flocking to him for any advice.
 
Why not? Russians vs. Afghanistan. We armed the mujahadeen. How'd that work out?
 
We trained and armed before, just saying
 
We trained and armed before, just saying

Let me think about this now. We probably have a lot of common interests with these Islamic rebels. Well, maybe not. We like the local oils and that's not olive oils. Wowser, geopolitics and energy control for that Neocon empire building program. Oil, gas, pipelines, ports, distribution and a bonanza for CORPORATIONS performing those functions. And then there is the concept that if you can't back your money with gold, you back it with your military. Pretty complicated stuff, but I don't think it's about freedom, liberty, and justice for all, eh?
 
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Nah.....he is looking to play it safe with his own self. Which he will do for his last 2 years. To much ego to not worry about how he will look in history.

Although when he hits pasture.....he will find out. Not many will be flocking to him for any advice.


What if he intends to satisfy his ego and establish his place in history by cutting the USA down a few notches.

After all I'm hard pressed to find a past influence of his who didn't feel that way ...

Can you?

Frank Marshall Davis
Bill Ayers
Harold Washington
ACORN
Harry Boyte
Socialist Scholars Conferences
Democrat Socialists of America
Wright
Pfleger
Van Jones
Midwest Academy
Cornell West
George Soros
Saul Alinsky

"every social proposal that we make must be couched in terms of how it will strengthen capitalism." Socialists Steve Max & Harry Boyte, a couple of Obama's communuity organizer mentors and Midwest Academy honchos ...

'Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.' - Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals.
 
No, once you hand weapons out and conduct training you can't control where those weapons end up and who those you train end up training. The Middle East is the last place you can trust to arm and train any group.


I'm surprised so many Conservatives are against it...I thought that Obama not helping the rebels was a main criticism from the right?
 
So how much did we spend training the Iraq troops that ran from ISIS? My answer to the poll is NO.
 
No, once you hand weapons out and conduct training you can't control where those weapons end up and who those you train end up training. The Middle East is the last place you can trust to arm and train any group.


I'm surprised so many Conservatives are against it...I thought that Obama not helping the rebels was a main criticism from the right?


More like from the Neo Cons. Just sayin.
 
Very true, I shouldn't paint all conservatives with the same brush

Right. I want a brand new brush when you paint me. None of those dirty, worn out brushes with the bristles sticking out every which way and old paint caked near the top.
 
Yes. They're the least worst option. Unfortunately, we don't have reliable democratic forces in Syria like we do in Iraq with the Peshmerga.
 
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