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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Except that we aren't supporting Assad, we've had a policy of regime change in Syria for 20 years, and we've been training and supporting the MB, AQ, Al Nusra infested separatists all along, gawd you're confused!!!!
    20 years is really stretching it. I know you want to put a lot of stock into the Wolfowitz thing, but Syria hasn't been that high on the priority list for a long time. Besides, my point is that if we were to do an about face, get altogether to fight ISIS and leave Syria alone, then said Shah example would happened. If we don't and instead we support the rebels, best case scenario falls somewhere between Iraq and Afghanistan.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Was all of that from that conversation with Wolfowtiz? A policy by the way we never implemented...
    Well, Iraq is gone, Libya is gone, were working on Syria and the neocons are always in the background talking about "bomb, bomb, bomb,--------bomb, bomb, Iran. I'm pretty sure we have operations in Somalia and Sudan.
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    20 years is really stretching it. I know you want to put a lot of stock into the Wolfowitz thing, but Syria hasn't been that high on the priority list for a long time. Besides, my point is that if we were to do an about face, get altogether to fight ISIS and leave Syria alone, then said Shah example would happened. If we don't and instead we support the rebels, best case scenario falls somewhere between Iraq and Afghanistan.
    What problem has Syria been to their neighbours and us. What's wrong with leaving well enough alone. For Pete's sake, president Assad was friendly towards Christians, and there was a certain amount of Western culture in Syria, and women in Syria had better rights then women in Saudi Arabia. We should have supported president Assad from the beginning. There wouldn't be 170,000 dead civilians, there would have been no vacuum that benefited the Islamic State, and you remain confused.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    There are 271,500 active members of the Iraqi military and another 528,000 in reserve. The total strength of ISIS is estimated to be a little more than 30,000 and that is between Iraq and Syria. If the Iraqi military cannot handle an untrained force of thugs that they outnumber by 10 to 1, then what is the point of helping them?
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    20 years is really stretching it. I know you want to put a lot of stock into the Wolfowitz thing, but Syria hasn't been that high on the priority list for a long time. Besides, my point is that if we were to do an about face, get altogether to fight ISIS and leave Syria alone, then said Shah example would happened. If we don't and instead we support the rebels, best case scenario falls somewhere between Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Sorry, but you remain confused.

    Official Washington’s ever-influential neoconservatives and their “liberal interventionist” allies see President Barack Obama’s decision to extend U.S. airstrikes against Islamic State terrorists into Syria as a new chance to achieve the long-treasured neocon goal of “regime change” in Damascus.


    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/11...e-change-plan/
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    There are 271,500 active members of the Iraqi military and another 528,000 in reserve. The total strength of ISIS is estimated to be a little more than 30,000 and that is between Iraq and Syria. If the Iraqi military cannot handle an untrained force of thugs that they outnumber by 10 to 1, then what is the point of helping them?


    Those numbers are not correct.....its 30k in Iraq. 50K in Syria. The US doesn't have that much Intel in Syria to get the picture.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Today, Congress is determining if we should give funds to Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels. So that they can fight ISIS. The Problem is the Syrian Rebels are not able to be trusted. They have used Chems and all they care about is removing Assad. Even their top commanders are all for a government that would be acceptable With Sharia Law.

    They will say and do anything to get backing and assistance.....they have also pledged against the US. At least 29 opposition groups. While it is understandable to have the need to take on ISIS. This is a mistake waiting to Happen. What say ye?
    Two things as I see it. 1. We really do not know whom these rebels are, who they are aligned with and as you said, whether their primary goal is to fight ISIS or the removal of Assad. 2. If they are successful in overthrowing Assad, Syria will probably end up like Libya. A country in turmoil with different Islamic groups/tribes fighting each other for control. Stability in Syria will be out the window as it is now in Libya.

    Perhaps we were better off with Qaddafi and the way I see, better off with Assad in power in Syria. Neither are or were nice guys. But both brought stability to their countries and limited the training grounds for terrorist. This is one of those, "Be careful, you just might get what you wish for, " situations.
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    If there is ever to be some semblance of peace in the ME, I feel like there needs to be some sort of paradigm shift on our part. Some reshuffling of the cards to get things going back in the direction it needs to go. If it means making deals with the devil (or devils in this case as it were) then so be it. It's just...

    *Thinks for a moment longer, then decides Glassing is still the best idea*.



    Assad isn't a good guy, let's not mistake this. And all were doing by supporting him, rather directly or indirectly, is just setting up another Shah or Mubarak that will come back to bite us in 10 or 20 years. I'm telling you, Glass it all and be done with it. Aside from that, would be opening up the middle east to colonization, after all, it's not like there was a whole lot of terrorism around when the UK was running things. Or even the Ottomans going back that far.

    Well that sectarian divide wasn't so caught up with each other back then. Had to many others to deal with. Plus the Persians weren't kissing Shia ass back then, nor any other Arab ass.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, Iraq is gone, Libya is gone, were working on Syria and the neocons are always in the background talking about "bomb, bomb, bomb,--------bomb, bomb, Iran. I'm pretty sure we have operations in Somalia and Sudan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sorry, but you remain confused.

    Official Washington’s ever-influential neoconservatives and their “liberal interventionist” allies see President Barack Obama’s decision to extend U.S. airstrikes against Islamic State terrorists into Syria as a new chance to achieve the long-treasured neocon goal of “regime change” in Damascus.


    Neocons Revive Syria ‘Regime Change’ Plan | Consortiumnews
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What problem has Syria been to their neighbours and us. What's wrong with leaving well enough alone. For Pete's sake, president Assad was friendly towards Christians, and there was a certain amount of Western culture in Syria, and women in Syria had better rights then women in Saudi Arabia. We should have supported president Assad from the beginning. There wouldn't be 170,000 dead civilians, there would have been no vacuum that benefited the Islamic State, and you remain confused.
    I know you want everything to be about some grand conspiracy, but it isn't. The proposed Wolfowitz doctrine (again, never enacted) was devised after the fall of the Soviet Union and was done so to prepare the US to face off against the rise of another superpower. At the time, the Soviet Union's allies in the ME consisted of said countries, and there was seen by him as a need to ensure that the next superpower that came didn't fill the void. Problem with your theory is that there is no second superpower, thus no reason. Also, back in the Cold War days, we did a better job of maintaining close times to countries we've toppled, which isn't something that we've carried over to today. Instead installing a puppet government, we let the people take over and do as they please. Come to think of it, I almost wish we did follow that doctrine, as maybe we'd have these countries better in line.

    In any event, you keep painting a rosy picture for Syria, and seem to want to gloss over the whole reason that this civil war, (and come to think of it, Lybia as well, though there was the refugee crisis that was occurring that factored more into that response) If you recall, in the beginning, all the Syrian people wanted were democratic reforms and the protests were non-violent. But how did Assad respond to them? By murdering around 2000 of them, and arresting another 12000. Had Assad been the good guy you like to think he is, he could of worked with the protesters to an amicable solution. He's a tyrant, and I'm not going to blame them for wanting to rise up against him. Say what you will about the President's response to this crisis (And as I've said, I oppose supporting the rebels but to be clear, those are for selfish reasons), what he was doing was responding to murdering of innocent civilians when all they wanted was reforms. Bottom line, we didn't start this war, Assad and his brutal regime did.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Two things as I see it. 1. We really do not know whom these rebels are, who they are aligned with and as you said, whether their primary goal is to fight ISIS or the removal of Assad. 2. If they are successful in overthrowing Assad, Syria will probably end up like Libya. A country in turmoil with different Islamic groups/tribes fighting each other for control. Stability in Syria will be out the window as it is now in Libya.

    Perhaps we were better off with Qaddafi and the way I see, better off with Assad in power in Syria. Neither are or were nice guys. But both brought stability to their countries and limited the training grounds for terrorist. This is one of those, "Be careful, you just might get what you wish for, " situations.
    Heya Pero. Well.....we know they want Assad gone. We also know their primary goal isn't to remove ISIS. As mentioned.....the Syrian Rebels have made an alliance with ISIS.

    Which the point is.....they know what ISIS has done. Yet they still made a pact with them. They even know they beheaded our people. Yet they make an alliance with them....and want us to arm them.

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