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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, General Dempsey told Congress and BO it may require troops on the ground in Iraq. Thats even with the Kurds and Iraqis fighting them. Let Assad deal with whats in Syria. These Syrian Rebels were just about to be finished. Then they would be out and its Assad taking on ISIS. Anything gets to be to much for Assad. He can have Russia and China come and help him out.

    The Coalition can mop them up in Iraq and then The Border to Syria needs to be covered.
    What's sad is that I feel like this was an opportunity for Obama to do something extraordinary, a rare oppurtunity for a turning point in our relations with the ME. When I heard about the coalition, I imagined the US forming an alliance between former adversaries Syria and Iran, together with Iraq, and perhaps even adding in Russia (support of Syria) to crush ISIS. It would be a chance to build some bridges between former enemies to go out and take on the greater threat that we all share. I'm an idealist though, an optimist, and probably that was too much to ask for. If we are going to be fighting ISIS, to me, it only makes sense for us to not be weakening out Strategic Partner in Syria by forcing them to continue to fight on two fronts.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin 515. Whats worse is BO and his teaming knowing that over half of the Syrian Rebels Pledged against the us. Which they did this Right after BO peep was elected. In December of 2012. So BO acting like he doesn't know anything and asking for money for them.....is a crock of ****.


    Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group
    Rebel groups across Syria are defying the United States by pledging their allegiance to a group that Washington will designate today a terrorist organization for its alleged links to al-Qaeda
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    10:03PM GMT 10 Dec 2012 <<<<< !


    A total of 29 opposition groups, including fighting "brigades" and civilian committees, have signed a petition calling for mass demonstrations in support of Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist group which the White House believes is an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

    The petition is promoting the slogan "No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra" and urges supporters to "raise the Jabhat al-Nusra flag" as a "thank you". Although Jabhat al-Nusra remains separate from the Free Syrian Army, many FSA leaders now recognise its strength and order their forces to cooperate with it.....snip~

    Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group - Telegraph
    Good morning my friend

    My "address" to the country would have been very different than BO. About 3-4 minutes. Basically, ISIL, you're over. Stick your head above the sand, it will be vaporized. Wave a flag, you're a new crater. Supporters of ISIL? You're done. Get your affairs in order, the camel train is leaving the oasis with you in baskets, or in jars. Countries supporting ISIL? Have a nice life, we're done with you. Innocents? Kill ISIL, or please accept our apologies for you and your families deaths. We tried to avoid you, but crap happens. Countries objecting to our actions? Too bad. We're the US, it pays to be a badass superpower.
    God bless America, wave bye-bye ISIL.

    Anything short of the above is a farce in my opinion. I've read a number of books authored by veterans from the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their accounts prove to me that there is no honor among thieves. These are people from a galaxy far away, a land that time forgot. We need to tell them to keep their efforts to accept evolutions plan effort to removed from the gene pool to themselves, or we will give mother nature a hand.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    What's sad is that I feel like this was an opportunity for Obama to do something extraordinary, a rare oppurtunity for a turning point in our relations with the ME. When I heard about the coalition, I imagined the US forming an alliance between former adversaries Syria and Iran, together with Iraq, and perhaps even adding in Russia (support of Syria) to crush ISIS. It would be a chance to build some bridges between former enemies to go out and take on the greater threat that we all share. I'm an idealist though, an optimist, and probably that was too much to ask for. If we are going to be fighting ISIS, to me, it only makes sense for us to not be weakening out Strategic Partner in Syria by forcing them to continue to fight on two fronts.


    Russia's planes to Iraq have helped the Iraqis. They are slow moving and designed to take on ground troops. Already they have been used and are hurting ISIS. Then there is the Air Strikes by us.

    Already the one main branch of the Syrian Rebels and with the most fighters 25k. (alleged and greatly reduced) Has now made an Alliance with ISIS. Yet this is who BO wants to give weapons too.

    Also in this Coalition BO has given arms to Lebanon. Hellfire Missiles.....this to, is a major mistake. Now Hezbollah will use hellfire missiles on Israel. Not to mention Iran will get one.....so that it can be reversed engineered. Big time mistake by BO and his Team.

    I can understanding wanting a coalition. But not giving to a government that arms terrorists.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Good morning my friend

    My "address" to the country would have been very different than BO. About 3-4 minutes. Basically, ISIL, you're over. Stick your head above the sand, it will be vaporized. Wave a flag, you're a new crater. Supporters of ISIL? You're done. Get your affairs in order, the camel train is leaving the oasis with you in baskets, or in jars. Countries supporting ISIL? Have a nice life, we're done with you. Innocents? Kill ISIL, or please accept our apologies for you and your families deaths. We tried to avoid you, but crap happens. Countries objecting to our actions? Too bad. We're the US, it pays to be a badass superpower.
    God bless America, wave bye-bye ISIL.

    Anything short of the above is a farce in my opinion. I've read a number of books authored by veterans from the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their accounts prove to me that there is no honor among thieves. These are people from a galaxy far away, a land that time forgot. We need to tell them to keep their efforts to accept evolutions plan effort to removed from the gene pool to themselves, or we will give mother nature a hand.

    As you can see.....BO has known about them for quite some time. Now he wants to give money to these madmen. Both Democrats and Repubs want to fund them caring only about removing Assad.

    The Sunni want Syria.....that's the bottomline. Syrian Rebels, means nothing. As the other Syrians aren't to interested in Sunni Rule and Governance.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    The thing with Russia and China is that ISIS, at this time, isn't a threat to them. And it's not like the US is jumping into help with Russia or China's Islamic problems.

    There is also one downfall in choosing not to support the rebels in Syria; if ISIS is going to be defeated, it won't be done by air power alone. There is going to have to be a ground component to this war and that doesn't leave the us a whole lot of options. In Iraq, despite the billions we've spent, it seems their military is not up to fighting ISIS. And in Syria, the only other option in fighting ISIS is to side with Assad, and well know how bad he is. Granted, I did say that it's better off to support dictators than the people in these situations, but history has also shown us what happens when we do this, a la the Shah of Iran. We supported a nasty government there and that came back to blow up in our face. What happens if the Syrian Rebels should eventually take over sometime down the road? Everyone will be (rightfully so) bitching about how we caused the anger towards us, just as we did with the Shah and to a lesser extent, Mubarak in Egypt.

    Is it too late to just glass the entire ME?
    Glassing the entire ME has NEVER been an option! Defeating the Islamic State, is not truly desired, or possible. President Assad allowed a certain amount of Western culture and was quite tolerant of Christians. Just still waiting for rational policy in the ME.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Russia's planes to Iraq have helped the Iraqis. They are slow moving and designed to take on ground troops. Already they have been used and are hurting ISIS. Then there is the Air Strikes by us.

    Already the one main branch of the Syrian Rebels and with the most fighters 25k. (alleged and greatly reduced) Has now made an Alliance with ISIS. Yet this is who BO wants to give weapons too.

    Also in this Coalition BO has given arms to Lebanon. Hellfire Missiles.....this to, is a major mistake. Now Hezbollah will use hellfire missiles on Israel. Not to mention Iran will get one.....so that it can be reversed engineered. Big time mistake by BO and his Team.

    I can understanding wanting a coalition. But not giving to a government that arms terrorists.
    If there is ever to be some semblance of peace in the ME, I feel like there needs to be some sort of paradigm shift on our part. Some reshuffling of the cards to get things going back in the direction it needs to go. If it means making deals with the devil (or devils in this case as it were) then so be it. It's just...

    *Thinks for a moment longer, then decides Glassing is still the best idea*.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Glassing the entire ME has NEVER been an option! Defeating the Islamic State, is not truly desired, or possible. President Assad allowed a certain amount of Western culture and was quite tolerant of Christians. Just still waiting for rational policy in the ME.
    Assad isn't a good guy, let's not mistake this. And all were doing by supporting him, rather directly or indirectly, is just setting up another Shah or Mubarak that will come back to bite us in 10 or 20 years. I'm telling you, Glass it all and be done with it. Aside from that, would be opening up the middle east to colonization, after all, it's not like there was a whole lot of terrorism around when the UK was running things. Or even the Ottomans going back that far.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    As you can see.....BO has known about them for quite some time. Now he wants to give money to these madmen. Both Democrats and Repubs want to fund them caring only about removing Assad.

    The Sunni want Syria.....that's the bottomline. Syrian Rebels, means nothing. As the other Syrians aren't to interested in Sunni Rule and Governance.
    There are too many people in decision making positions who don't seem to have a clue how that part of the world works. That part of the world only understands power. They see politics as nothing but a tactic to be manipulated to get what they want anyway. Absolute ZERO long term thinking from what I have read.

    We seem destined to be fooled again.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    As you can see.....BO has known about them for quite some time. Now he wants to give money to these madmen. Both Democrats and Repubs want to fund them caring only about removing Assad.

    The Sunni want Syria.....that's the bottomline. Syrian Rebels, means nothing. As the other Syrians aren't to interested in Sunni Rule and Governance.
    True enough, and this has been policy for years now.


    General Wesley Clark … said the aim of this plot [to "destroy the governments in ... Iraq, ... Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran”] was this: “They wanted us to destabilize the Middle East, turn it upside down, make it under our control.” He then recounted a conversation he had had ten years earlier with Paul Wolfowitz — back in 1991 — in which the then-number-3-Pentagon-official, after criticizing Bush 41 for not toppling Saddam, told Clark: “But one thing we did learn [from the Persian Gulf War] is that we can use our military in the region – in the Middle East – and the Soviets won’t stop us. And we’ve got about 5 or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet regimes – Syria, Iran [sic], Iraq – before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us.” Clark said he was shocked by Wolfowitz’s desires because, as Clark put it: “the purpose of the military is to start wars and change governments? It’s not to deter conflicts?”


    Although, Russia and China have been pushing back on us.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    True enough, and this has been policy for years now.


    General Wesley Clark … said the aim of this plot [to "destroy the governments in ... Iraq, ... Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran”] was this: “They wanted us to destabilize the Middle East, turn it upside down, make it under our control.” He then recounted a conversation he had had ten years earlier with Paul Wolfowitz — back in 1991 — in which the then-number-3-Pentagon-official, after criticizing Bush 41 for not toppling Saddam, told Clark: “But one thing we did learn [from the Persian Gulf War] is that we can use our military in the region – in the Middle East – and the Soviets won’t stop us. And we’ve got about 5 or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet regimes – Syria, Iran [sic], Iraq – before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us.” Clark said he was shocked by Wolfowitz’s desires because, as Clark put it: “the purpose of the military is to start wars and change governments? It’s not to deter conflicts?”


    Although, Russia and China have been pushing back on us.
    Was all of that from that conversation with Wolfowtiz? A policy by the way we never implemented...

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    If there is ever to be some semblance of peace in the ME, I feel like there needs to be some sort of paradigm shift on our part. Some reshuffling of the cards to get things going back in the direction it needs to go. If it means making deals with the devil (or devils in this case as it were) then so be it. It's just...

    *Thinks for a moment longer, then decides Glassing is still the best idea*.



    Assad isn't a good guy, let's not mistake this. And all were doing by supporting him, rather directly or indirectly, is just setting up another Shah or Mubarak that will come back to bite us in 10 or 20 years. I'm telling you, Glass it all and be done with it. Aside from that, would be opening up the middle east to colonization, after all, it's not like there was a whole lot of terrorism around when the UK was running things. Or even the Ottomans going back that far.
    Except that we aren't supporting Assad, we've had a policy of regime change in Syria for 20 years, and we've been training and supporting the MB, AQ, Al Nusra infested separatists all along, gawd you're confused!!!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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