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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Funny you've argued with me over this so much. Oh well, glad you've come around to acknowledge what I've pointed out all along. The ME would be in far better shape with Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad in power. They all did a FAR better job of containing militant Islamic groups.
    You know what they say, fool me once (Iraq) shame on you. Fool me twice (Lybia, Syria, Lebanon) shame on me. Though I'm surprised you didn't know this already, I changed my view on this around ... feels like a year ago or something. Oh well. *shrugs* I think in the past I had a much more optimistic view on humanity in general, and figured we all wanted sort of the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Its clear we cannot prevent these MB backed Rebels/Terrorists from giving weapons to others.....they gave weapons to al Nusra and did so the whole time we were arming them.

    Now check this out with what al Nusra has done. They are associated to the MB backed Syrian Rebels.....also AQ and Now ISIS.



    Syrian rebels seize UN weapons in the Golan: ambassador.....



    Syrian rebels linked to Al-Qaeda have seized UN weapons, uniforms and vehicles from peacekeepers in the Golan and set up a "safe zone" to wage attacks, the Syrian ambassador said Tuesday. The United Nations on Monday was forced to pull back hundreds of peacekeepers to the Israeli-occupied sector of the Golan after Syrian rebels advanced on their positions.

    Syrian Ambassador Bashar Jaafari said fighters from Al-Nusra "had succeeded in occupying all of the Syrian side" of the Golan, driving out the troops from the UN Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF). "The terrorists are now using United Nations cars, which hold the emblem of the United Nations forces in the Golan. They are using the uniform of the UNDOF, the weapons of UNDOF, the positions of UNDOR to shell on the Syrian army as well as on the civilians in villages," Jaafari told reporters. Jaafari accused Israel, Qatar and Jordan of being behind a "very big plot" to destabilize Syria by letting the Syrian rebels take control of part of the buffer to set up a "safe zone" from where it can wage attacks.....snip~

    Syrian rebels seize UN weapons in the Golan: ambassador

    These MB backed Syrian Rebels can't be trusted.....al Nusra does their heavy fighting. Both Republicans and Democrats need to say no funding.
    Further proof in the effectiveness of UN Peacekeepers...
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    There's only one way to deal with an org. like ISIS - cut off the heads and keep cutting them off every time they get replaced. Start a deliberate, intentional and PUBLIC campaign of going out and killing any person in any leadership position, starting with the highest ranking people and financiers. No, I'm not suggesting that we do this, just stating that this is the only tactic that will work. Killing the rank and file soldiers is a waste of resources, since if they have no leadership, no paycheck and understand that if they get promoted, they get killed, they'll fade back to their homes. What we could do is to start at the top and kill our way down the chain of command until the org. collapses and make it very public as we do it. Again, I'm not stating that we should do this, just that this is the only way to attack an org. like this.
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    There's only one way to deal with an org. like ISIS - cut off the heads and keep cutting them off every time they get replaced. Start a deliberate, intentional and PUBLIC campaign of going out and killing any person in any leadership position, starting with the highest ranking people and financiers. No, I'm not suggesting that we do this, just stating that this is the only tactic that will work. Killing the rank and file soldiers is a waste of resources, since if they have no leadership, no paycheck and understand that if they get promoted, they get killed, they'll fade back to their homes. What we could do is to start at the top and kill our way down the chain of command until the org. collapses and make it very public as we do it. Again, I'm not stating that we should do this, just that this is the only way to attack an org. like this.
    Or just keep on supporting the militant Islamic groups, as we've done for decades, and ensure job security for the defense contractors and the bloated Pentagon!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Hey MMC, 100% in your poll against supporting and training the very untrustworthy militant Islamic groups in Syria! Now we just need that message to reach DC.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You know what they say, fool me once (Iraq) shame on you. Fool me twice (Lybia, Syria, Lebanon) shame on me. Though I'm surprised you didn't know this already, I changed my view on this around ... feels like a year ago or something. Oh well. *shrugs* I think in the past I had a much more optimistic view on humanity in general, and figured we all wanted sort of the same thing.



    Further proof in the effectiveness of UN Peacekeepers...
    Better late then never I suppose.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We, as a nation, must not fall into doing what Putin is doing - a coalition of nations fighting nations is far different than pretending that a war can be fought inside a nation but not against that nation. The Obama notion that terrorists can be "managed" (without a declaration of war) yet that we "lack resources" to even secure our own border is simply insane. If it takes 3K troops to fight 2K Ebola cases then it surely would take a lot more to fight 30K ISIS cases.
    Yeah 30k in Iraq alone. 50k in Syria. Still its not just our fight. Its everyones. Even Russia and China. All need to be involved.

    This could never be managed. These people have to be destroyed. It needs to be done in a way.....that will make them think about that martyrdom and how it doesn't allow them to achieve Paradise or their Heaven. Death by a woman and Death by Fire will assure this.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Hey MMC, 100% in your poll against supporting and training the very untrustworthy militant Islamic groups in Syria! Now we just need that message to reach DC.
    You should have heard Harry Reid talking about how if thinks it needs to be done. How they have to be funded. It was on the Senate floor too.

    Truly they do not even have a clue. Reid's remarks shows he is a Moron. Sounding like one on the Senate floor didn't help. He has no trouble throwing money at this problem.

    Lets not forget that BO just gave these so called Rebels 600m back in June or July.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah 30k in Iraq alone. 50k in Syria. Still its not just our fight. Its everyones. Even Russia and China. All need to be involved.

    This could never be managed. These people have to be destroyed. It needs to be done in a way.....that will make them think about that martyrdom and how it doesn't allow them to achieve Paradise or their Heaven. Death by a woman and Death by Fire will assure this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Hey MMC, 100% in your poll against supporting and training the very untrustworthy militant Islamic groups in Syria! Now we just need that message to reach DC.
    The thing with Russia and China is that ISIS, at this time, isn't a threat to them. And it's not like the US is jumping into help with Russia or China's Islamic problems.

    There is also one downfall in choosing not to support the rebels in Syria; if ISIS is going to be defeated, it won't be done by air power alone. There is going to have to be a ground component to this war and that doesn't leave the us a whole lot of options. In Iraq, despite the billions we've spent, it seems their military is not up to fighting ISIS. And in Syria, the only other option in fighting ISIS is to side with Assad, and well know how bad he is. Granted, I did say that it's better off to support dictators than the people in these situations, but history has also shown us what happens when we do this, a la the Shah of Iran. We supported a nasty government there and that came back to blow up in our face. What happens if the Syrian Rebels should eventually take over sometime down the road? Everyone will be (rightfully so) bitching about how we caused the anger towards us, just as we did with the Shah and to a lesser extent, Mubarak in Egypt.

    Is it too late to just glass the entire ME?

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Trian the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    The thing with Russia and China is that ISIS, at this time, isn't a threat to them. And it's not like the US is jumping into help with Russia or China's Islamic problems.

    There is also one downfall in choosing not to support the rebels in Syria; if ISIS is going to be defeated, it won't be done by air power alone. There is going to have to be a ground component to this war and that doesn't leave the us a whole lot of options. In Iraq, despite the billions we've spent, it seems their military is not up to fighting ISIS. And in Syria, the only other option in fighting ISIS is to side with Assad, and well know how bad he is. Granted, I did say that it's better off to support dictators than the people in these situations, but history has also shown us what happens when we do this, a la the Shah of Iran. We supported a nasty government there and that came back to blow up in our face. What happens if the Syrian Rebels should eventually take over sometime down the road? Everyone will be (rightfully so) bitching about how we caused the anger towards us, just as we did with the Shah and to a lesser extent, Mubarak in Egypt.

    Is it too late to just glass the entire ME?

    Well, General Dempsey told Congress and BO it may require troops on the ground in Iraq. Thats even with the Kurds and Iraqis fighting them. Let Assad deal with whats in Syria. These Syrian Rebels were just about to be finished. Then they would be out and its Assad taking on ISIS. Anything gets to be to much for Assad. He can have Russia and China come and help him out.

    The Coalition can mop them up in Iraq and then The Border to Syria needs to be covered.

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No, we shouldn't. History has shown none of these tribal groups can be trusted. It's the history of their people. They would sell their Mothers into prostitution if it got the right return on their investment. I certainly don't understand such a mindset, but it certainly seems to be the case.

    If we train and arm the rebels, they will most certainly be our enemies down the road. Not sure how many more examples we need to understand this reality.

    A campaign of annihilation via our superior technology is the only thing I can see that should be used against this I-bola plague.


    Mornin 515. Whats worse is BO and his teaming knowing that over half of the Syrian Rebels Pledged against the us. Which they did this Right after BO peep was elected. In December of 2012. So BO acting like he doesn't know anything and asking for money for them.....is a crock of ****.


    Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group
    Rebel groups across Syria are defying the United States by pledging their allegiance to a group that Washington will designate today a terrorist organization for its alleged links to al-Qaeda
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    10:03PM GMT 10 Dec 2012 <<<<< !


    A total of 29 opposition groups, including fighting "brigades" and civilian committees, have signed a petition calling for mass demonstrations in support of Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist group which the White House believes is an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

    The petition is promoting the slogan "No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra" and urges supporters to "raise the Jabhat al-Nusra flag" as a "thank you". Although Jabhat al-Nusra remains separate from the Free Syrian Army, many FSA leaders now recognise its strength and order their forces to cooperate with it.....snip~

    Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group - Telegraph

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