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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    al Sadr in Iraq has a 100K Shia Militias to go fight with.....but this will just spark off more sectarian conflict. Which has already spread beyond Iraq. Look at the Shia in Yemen and Bahrain.
    A real catch 22. Darned if you do and darned if you don't. There is no right answer to Iraq. Just a bunch of very bad choices and it seems pretty darn near to a no win situation. At least for this administrations goals of defeating ISIS and forcing regime change on Syria.
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    A real catch 22. Darned if you do and darned if you don't. There is no right answer to Iraq. Just a bunch of very bad choices and it seems pretty darn near to a no win situation. At least for this administrations goals of defeating ISIS and forcing regime change on Syria.
    Yeah, and BO giving Lebanon hellfire missiles and not knowing who is going to be doing what. Makes sense.....how?

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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    A real catch 22. Darned if you do and darned if you don't. There is no right answer to Iraq. Just a bunch of very bad choices and it seems pretty darn near to a no win situation. At least for this administrations goals of defeating ISIS and forcing regime change on Syria.
    The Islamic State excuse is NOTHING MORE then a back door attempt at removing president Assad from power. And it's not just the Obama administrations goal btw!


    President Barack Obama would seek to overthrow the regime of Bashar al-Assad if American planes were attacked upon entering Syrian air space, Peter Baker of The New York Times reports.

    If Assad's troops fired at American planes entering Syrian airspace, "Obama said he would order American forces to wipe out Syria’s air defense system," Baker reports. "He went on to say that such an action by Mr. Assad would lead to his overthrow, according to one account."

    http://www.businessinsider.com/obama...erthrow-2014-9
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Official Washington’s ever-influential neoconservatives and their “liberal interventionist” allies see President Barack Obama’s decision to extend U.S. airstrikes against Islamic State terrorists into Syria as a new chance to achieve the long-treasured neocon goal of “regime change” in Damascus.

    On the surface, Obama’s extraordinary plan to ignore Syrian sovereignty and attack across the border has been viewed as a unilateral U.S. action to strike at the terrorist Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), but it could easily evolve into a renewed effort to overthrow Bashar al-Assad’s government, ironically one of ISIS’s principal goals.

    ISIS began as part of the Sunni resistance to George W. Bush’s invasion of Iraq which had elevated Iraq’s Shiite majority to power. Then known as “al-Qaeda in Iraq,” the terrorist group stoked a sectarian war by slaughtering Shiites and bombing their mosques.
    I keep thinking of Joe Biden's solution when he was still a senator. Right after Saddam was caught and before all this nation building junk started, he suggested to dividing Iraq into three parts. One for the Kurds, one for the Shia and one for the Sunni. At the time I thought that was a great idea, but both sides and both parties laughed him out of the building. Looking back on it, perhaps that was the way to go.

    I am sure if regime change happens in Syria, whomever replaces Assad will be ten time worse. As I said many times, the one thing the president and the U.S. could do to protect and abide by Syrian sovereignty is to make nice with Assad. An Assad ruled Syria in my view is better than an ISIS one, a Caliphate or an Islamic Republic. Sometimes the lesser evil is the way you have to go to avoid a much worse evil and a much worse situation.
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, and BO giving Lebanon hellfire missiles and not knowing who is going to be doing what. Makes sense.....how?
    Sometimes we do things just to do things. Then we sit back and hope it will all work out.
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The Islamic State excuse is NOTHING MORE then a back door attempt at removing president Assad from power. And it's not just the Obama administrations goal btw!


    President Barack Obama would seek to overthrow the regime of Bashar al-Assad if American planes were attacked upon entering Syrian air space, Peter Baker of The New York Times reports.

    If Assad's troops fired at American planes entering Syrian airspace, "Obama said he would order American forces to wipe out Syria’s air defense system," Baker reports. "He went on to say that such an action by Mr. Assad would lead to his overthrow, according to one account."

    Obama: Assad Shooting At American Planes Would Lead To His Overthrow - Business Insider
    Viola, ISIS wins and the Islamic radicals win. Syria becomes chaos and the violence continues minus perhaps the one person who could help bring stability back to Syria and Iraq. Does any one in Washington ever look at the big picture? Does any one in Washington ever do assessments as to what Syria and Iraq would look like or be after Assad?

    We got rid of Qaddafi in Libya and look at it now. Tribes fighting each other, difference branches of Islam fighting each other, terrorists using Libya as their training base again, total chaos and turmoil.
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Viola, ISIS wins and the Islamic radicals win. Syria becomes chaos and the violence continues minus perhaps the one person who could help bring stability back to Syria and Iraq. Does any one in Washington ever look at the big picture? Does any one in Washington ever do assessments as to what Syria and Iraq would look like or be after Assad?

    We got rid of Qaddafi in Libya and look at it now. Tribes fighting each other, difference branches of Islam fighting each other, terrorists using Libya as their training base again, total chaos and turmoil.
    Here's how badly the US lusts for regime change in Syria. Three times Obama dispatched Hillary Clinton to the UN to secure a resolution for the use of force in Syria, all three times, Russia and China said hell no! Russian FM Lavrov clearly articulated that their reason was that the US had abused the resolution for the use of force in Libya to conduct regime change and Russia vowed that they would not allow it to happen in Syria. So plan B, Obama began using the Benghazi annex to smuggle arms, pilfered from Gaddafi's army to the opposition in Syria, then, with proxies, Russia ended that operation, and so now, plan C, violate Syria's sovereign border, hoping to draw fire from president Assad's forces, for pretext of regime change. I only wonder how Russia will handle plan C?

    ......the official account by administration officials is a mosaic of lies that were necessary to cover the unpalatable truth of covert actions taking place in Libya, Syria, Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon. The primary objective of our covert actions was to secretly arm anti-Assad “rebels” in Syria by funneling arms from Libya to Syria via Turkey, with other destinations that included Jordan and Lebanon.

    Although Russia figures prominently here, Iran now comes into focus as Russia is not likely to directly engage U.S. forces. They must, however, protect their interests. Much like we were using anti-Assad forces to advance our objectives in Syria, Russia was using Iranian-backed forces to protect theirs. It appears that the attacks were conducted or facilitated by Iranian assets—perhaps as many as three teams of assets in Benghazi.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index...about-benghazi
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Here's how badly the US lusts for regime change in Syria. Three times Obama dispatched Hillary Clinton to the UN to secure a resolution for the use of force in Syria, all three times, Russia and China said hell no! Russian FM Lavrov clearly articulated that their reason was that the US had abused the resolution for the use of force in Libya to conduct regime change and Russia vowed that they would not allow it to happen in Syria. So plan B, Obama began using the Benghazi annex to smuggle arms, pilfered from Gaddafi's army to the opposition in Syria, then, with proxies, Russia ended that operation, and so now, plan C, violate Syria's sovereign border, hoping to draw fire from president Assad's forces, for pretext of regime change. I only wonder how Russia will handle plan C?

    ......the official account by administration officials is a mosaic of lies that were necessary to cover the unpalatable truth of covert actions taking place in Libya, Syria, Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon. The primary objective of our covert actions was to secretly arm anti-Assad “rebels” in Syria by funneling arms from Libya to Syria via Turkey, with other destinations that included Jordan and Lebanon.

    Although Russia figures prominently here, Iran now comes into focus as Russia is not likely to directly engage U.S. forces. They must, however, protect their interests. Much like we were using anti-Assad forces to advance our objectives in Syria, Russia was using Iranian-backed forces to protect theirs. It appears that the attacks were conducted or facilitated by Iranian assets—perhaps as many as three teams of assets in Benghazi.

    The hidden real truth about Benghazi
    I think anyone with a sense on how our government operates and the knowledge of how we run covert operations of this type knows or at least is fairly reasonable sure it was all about arms to the Syrian Rebels. We have done a lot of this type of stuff in the past. What I don't understand is the fixation on kicking Assad out of power in Syria regardless of the repercussions or what comes after.
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think anyone with a sense on how our government operates and the knowledge of how we run covert operations of this type knows or at least is fairly reasonable sure it was all about arms to the Syrian Rebels. We have done a lot of this type of stuff in the past. What I don't understand is the fixation on kicking Assad out of power in Syria regardless of the repercussions or what comes after.
    That's what stumps me as well. If its oil, that backfires because production in Libya has dropped from 1.3 million barrels a day under Gaddafi to just 300,000 now. Syria's not a big oil producer, but some have claimed a oil/gas line through Syria to the EU that Assad wouldn't go for???
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    Re: Should the US Arm and Train the Syrian Rebels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think anyone with a sense on how our government operates and the knowledge of how we run covert operations of this type knows or at least is fairly reasonable sure it was all about arms to the Syrian Rebels. We have done a lot of this type of stuff in the past. What I don't understand is the fixation on kicking Assad out of power in Syria regardless of the repercussions or what comes after.
    That's what stumps me as well. If its oil, that backfires because production in Libya has dropped from 1.3 million barrels a day under Gaddafi to just 300,000 now. Syria's not a big oil producer, but some have claimed a oil/gas line through Syria to the EU that Assad wouldn't go for??? Chuck Hagel and Alan Greenspan amongst others have declared that Iraq was certainly about oil.
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