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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I have two graduate degrees. I've interacted with lots of pretty intelligent people. But your bigotry is noted.
    Bigotry! Lol, better blow the dust off those degrees you're hiding behind.
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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are wrong, for two reasons:

    1. They aren't by and large planning on sending infantry, but rather pilots, logisticians, command and control staff, medics, engineers, and the like;

    2. There are lots of smart people in the infantry. The two-time jeopardy champion I told you about, for example, was an infantry officer. I couldn't tell you how the Army does it, but the Marine Corps actually structures it such that the various arms get a rather even divide of talent. Only Lawyers and Pilots get to pick their MOS - and if they drop from the program, it's right back to where the Corps sends them.
    I didn't see any links with that.

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Bigotry! Lol, better blow the dust off those degrees you're hiding behind.
    I don't have to hide behind them - I don't even bring them up to bolster my own credentials, only to point out that I've been around quite a few above-average educated and intelligent people.

    The "oh the military is just a bunch of losers" bigotry doesn't match reality, which doesn't stop a certain class of losers, desperate to affirm their life choices, from clinging to it.

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I didn't see any links with that.
    For what? For what we're going to do? The President announced that on the news. We aren't invading Liberia, and frankly, we don't have 3,000 infantry immediately available to send, unless you wanted to mobilize a stateside regiment (which we aren't).

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I don't have to hide behind them - I don't even bring them up to bolster my own credentials, only to point out that I've been around quite a few above-average educated and intelligent people.

    The "oh the military is just a bunch of losers" bigotry doesn't match reality, which doesn't stop a certain class of losers, desperate to affirm their life choices, from clinging to it.
    Why is that in quotations???? I didn't say that, stop lying! Hear?
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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why is that in quotations???? I didn't say that, stop lying! Hear?
    Are you now backtracking on your earlier implicit suggestion that the Fagan's claim is indeed correct and the military is just a bunch of idiotic automatons?

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    I guess dropping off medication is not enough, we now have to send our troops to face possible death.

    If you were ordered to go by the president, would you follow orders, or would you say no and face a dishonorable discharge?
    I was shocked wjhen I heard what was going to happen. I don't like that idea by any stretch of the imagination. They gotta go though; it's their orders.

    I just wonder what's going to happen when some of our people come down with this thing.
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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I don't have to hide behind them - I don't even bring them up to bolster my own credentials, only to point out that I've been around quite a few above-average educated and intelligent people.

    The "oh the military is just a bunch of losers" bigotry doesn't match reality, which doesn't stop a certain class of losers, desperate to affirm their life choices, from clinging to it.

    You put into quotations something I never said!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    No member of the military is required to follow an illegal order. The UCMJ sets what an illegal order would be, to include breaking the various Conventions of War. So, no, a member of the military would not have to follow an order to fire into a crowd of women and children or use a car bomb as a weapon.

    Good question - with the parameters you added. It's less of a moral question as it would be a question of legality. Especially since what I said is also true, that many of the actions taken during combat could be seen as immoral by some people. That's why the military relies upon the UCMJ and the various Conventions on War to define and guide their actions, not morality.
    Hey Beau

    To play devil's advocate here: what if those laws weren't in place? What if there were no such thing as an "illegal" order? Would soldiers still have a moral obligation to disobey those orders?

    You see, I just have a real fundamental problem with the idea that laws and orders have to be followed 100%. I am of the opinion that morality transcends the law. Following the law will generally steer you in the right track morally, but sometimes that is not the case. What then? What will these military men do when they are given a direct order, a legal order, to do something blatantly immoral? Will they do it out of misplaced patriotism or a sense of duty? Out of blind obedience to their government? Or will they disobey and risk prosecution?

    Better question, what would you do?

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Hey Beau

    To play devil's advocate here: what if those laws weren't in place? What if there were no such thing as an "illegal" order? Would soldiers still have a moral obligation to disobey those orders?

    You see, I just have a real fundamental problem with the idea that laws and orders have to be followed 100%. I am of the opinion that morality transcends the law. Following the law will generally steer you in the right track morally, but sometimes that is not the case. What then? What will these military men do when they are given a direct order, a legal order, to do something blatantly immoral? Will they do it out of misplaced patriotism or a sense of duty? Out of blind obedience to their government? Or will they disobey and risk prosecution?

    Better question, what would you do?
    The only problem I see with that is that morality is subjective.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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