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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    It's my understanding that half of the people who get EBola die.
    Much higher than that overall but significantly lower with high quality care and treatment, which in the event of any member of the US forces contracting it, they would be guaranteed.

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    People who have used every precaution still ended up getting it.
    No, people who use every precaution possible are pretty much guaranteed not to catch it. It's spreading because all of the precautions aren't, often can't be, taken.

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    I just don't understand why it's always us that gets involved. Why don't other countries ever offer to help? I just don't have a good feeling about this. Do I feel for these people? Yes I do. Do I feel like we already have our hands in multiple pots? Yes!
    It isn't just the US, other countries and organisations are helping. The world does often to to the US because you have massive resources and can provide this level of support without blinking an eye (economically at least).

    The fact the US (and not just the US) is involved in a whole load of much less worthy situations (or at least in less worthy ways) around the world is largely a separate issue.

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    There's a knot of people in American society who are fussy about these kinds of "plague outbreaks." Same segment that obsesses over bad zombie fiction on Kindle.
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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Sounds about like what I imagined. If they are sent they should go and not argue about it. A Taliban rifle is no less lethal than Ebola. Not sure why the OP was even raised.
    I would go in a heartbeat to help, if I was still in the military. As a civilian, I have other commitments that prevent me from doing so.
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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Yet you didn't speak to what I said of the politicsw of wanting to use ACA funding, knowing I don't lie .
    That's fine with me. If the American peoples wishes were listen too, there would be no ACA. The ACA is a purely Democratic party agenda passed and made into law against the wishes of the majority of Americans.

    Below are the polls thanks to RCP of public opinion on the ACA when the Senate passed it in November of 2009
    CNN/Opinion Research 12/2-12/3 36% for 61% Against/Oppose +25
    Rasmussen Reports 11/29 - 11/29 41% for 53% Against/Oppose +12
    Gallup 11/20-11/22 44% for 49% Against/Oppose +5
    Ipsos/McClatchy 11/19 - 11/22 34% for 46% Against/Oppose +12
    Rasmussen Reports 11/21 - 11/22 38% for 56% Against/Oppose +18
    FOX News 11/17 - 11/18 35% for 51% Against/Oppose +16
    PPP (D) 11/13 - 11/15 40% for 52% Against/Oppose +12

    Below are the polls thanks to RCP of public opinion on the ACA when the House passed it in March of 2010
    Bloomberg 3/19 - 3/22 38% for 50% Against/Oppose +12
    CNN/Opinion Research 3/19 - 3/21 39% for 59% Against/Oppose +20
    CBS News 3/18 - 3/21 37% for 48% Against/Oppose +11
    Rasmussen Reports 3/19 - 3/20 41% for 54% Against/Oppose +13
    Quinnipiac 3/16 - 3/21 36% for 54% Against/Oppose +18
    Democracy Corps (D) 3/15 - 3/18 40% for 52% Against/Oppose +12
    FOX News 3/16 - 3/17 35% 55% Against/Oppose +20

    The Democrats in congress said to the American People, you do not count. We know what is best for you and since we know what is best, you get what we want you to have whether you want it or not.

    Actually there really is only two things that give me heartburn with the Democratic Party since Obama has become president, the ACA and Reid's detonation of the nuclear bomb. The rest I was either for or could live with as I considered it really no big thing. It takes a lot for something to get under my skin, the ACA and the explosion of Reid's Nuke did that though.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    You would be court martialed and rightly so. I wore the blue beret (which I was given on my last day as a keepsake), but never the blue helmet. What this shows is a lack of understanding of the US and the UN. The US never wears the blue helmet and never comes under UN command.
    I'm referring to this.

    What Master Do U.S. Servicemen Serve?

    >" "No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other."
    So what master do U.S. servicemen serve: the U.S. Constitution or the United Nations Charter? The U.S. Army is trying to repeal the Biblical truism and tell our soldiers: Wear the red-white-and-blue U.S. Flag on the subordinate left arm, the blue UN insignia on the senior right arm, and cap it off with the UN blue helmet or the UN blue beret.

    For at least three years in the Balkans and elsewhere, the U.S. Army has been quietly pursuing the practice of requiring American soldiers to wear these UN uniforms. Now, one brave soldier has had the temerity to dissent.

    U.S. Army Specialist E-4 Michael G. New, a medic with the Third Infantry Division, will be arraigned this week in Germany, preparatory to a court martial, for the offense of disobeying the Army's order to "appear in United Nations uniform" instead of his U.S. Army uniform.

    The order to New is one implementation of Presidential Decision Directive 25 (PDD 25), in which Bill Clinton asserted his authority "to place U.S. forces under the operational control of a foreign commander." The Clinton Administration has kept PDD 25 a secret document under lock and key, but the State Department "summary," dated May 1994, contains enough information to enable us to challenge its constitutionality.

    On August 21, New's Army commanders informed him that he would soon be ordered to Macedonia as part of a UN "peacekeeping" operation, for which he would be required to wear the blue UN helmet and the blue UN arm band with UN insignia. These changes are meaningful and important; if they were not, then refusing to wear them would not result in a court-martial with the possible punishment of imprisonment or bad conduct discharge..."<

    What Master Do U.S. Servicemen Serve? - Phyllis Schlafly Column 11/02/95


    Ex-soldier appeals conviction for refusing order

    >" A former U.S. soldier asked a federal appeals court yesterday to throw out his decade-old conviction for refusing an order to don a United Nations uniform and deploy as a peacekeeper to Macedonia.

    Michael New of Willis, Texas, then a medic stationed in Germany, has petitioned a string of military and federal courts on the grounds that his Army court-martial judge refused to let the jury decide whether Mr. New received a lawful order..."<

    Read more: Ex-soldier appeals conviction for refusing order - Washington Times

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    I guess dropping off medication is not enough, we now have to send our troops to face possible death.

    If you were ordered to go by the president, would you follow orders, or would you say no and face a dishonorable discharge?
    I would obey those orders.It wouldn't be a pleasant experience though. It sucks breathing through a gas mask but you get used to it.And wearing NBC gear can make you sweat your ass off. Although the military might have changed the standard issue NBC gear for infantry soldiers in the past 10 or so years.
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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That's fine with me. If the American peoples wishes were listen too, there would be no ACA. The ACA is a purely Democratic party agenda passed and made into law against the wishes of the majority of Americans.
    Your continued diversions on ACA to that past bull**** and not dealing with what happened today is noted and dismissed.
    Please let me know when yer serious at who is playing politics with war and ebola.

    How do you like FOX/GOPs lying that ISIL is crossing the Southern border?
    That ISIL is preparing to launch car-bomb attacks--all FOX lies debunked.

    Pretty sick bunch that GOP with their negative Nixonian garbage don't you think?
    Just as with the GOP sickos making campaign ads using beheadings .
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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I would say something since it's not the job of the U.S. military to play "Peace Corps." Using the military for these humanitarian missions only downgrades the military combat readiness of the U.S. military.
    Even Krauhammer on FOX praised the President for what he is doing Apache.
    And said no other force could do this job .
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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Even Krauhammer on FOX praised the President for what he is doing Apache.
    And said no other force could do this job .
    Charles Krauthammer doesn't speak for me or does he have any influence over me.

    What ever happened to the Peace Corps ? You remember them, wait a sec, your to young.

    Well anyways it was one way of avoiding the draft and participating in nation building.

    I'm sure there are enough civilian volunteers (3,000 doctors, nurses, etc.) who are just jumping at a chance to go to Africa.

    Put the 3,000 troops on our border instead.

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Your continued diversions on ACA to that past bull**** and not dealing with what happened today is noted and dismissed.
    Please let me know when yer serious at who is playing politics with war and ebola.

    How do you like FOX/GOPs lying that ISIL is crossing the Southern border?
    That ISIL is preparing to launch car-bomb attacks--all FOX lies debunked.

    Pretty sick bunch that GOP with their negative Nixonian garbage don't you think?
    Just as with the GOP sickos making campaign ads using beheadings .
    First in you post number 7 you said this and I quote:
    Now a GOP congressman is asking for money from the ACA fund for ebola.

    That I pretty much ignored or tried to ignore that. Then you came back in post number 23 with this demanding an answer:

    Yet you didn't speak to what I said of the politicsw of wanting to use ACA funding, knowing I don't lie .

    Which you wanted my comments on the ACA and using ACA funds. I answered that as I really do not care one iota if they use ACA funds or not. If they do that is fine with me, I really do not care and then proceeded to give you my reasons why I do not care if they use ACA funds or not.

    Now you are saying and I quote: Your continued diversions on ACA to that past bull**** and not dealing with what happened today is noted and dismissed.

    Seems to me I answered that in my way since you would not let me ignore it as I first tried to do. I also said I haven’t had the TV set on today and that is still true. What FOX says is their business as is what MSNBC says is theirs. One is in bed with one party, the other in bed with the other party. Perhaps you ought to stick with CNN, they are less overt about their stations political allegiance. You do not want a diatribe on the ACA, then please let me ignore it when you bring it up and it won’t happen.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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