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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Makes sense since the Africans are now saying that the Ebola virus was developed by the USA to be used in germ warfare.

    They said the same thing about AIDS.
    Yeah - the biggest newspaper in liberia is spreading that crap. Between that and attacking aid workers, there are going to be a lot of social enablers of this disease. We are nowhere even near the inflection point, I think.

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I remember when Navy Sea Bees were able to provide their own security and they were good at it. Probably why they were known as the "Fighting Sea Bees."

    I remember back in 69 when I was going through 2nd ITR at Pendleton there was about 300 Navy CB's going through individual infantry training.
    The Seabees were outstanding. I haven't heard much of them lately. I wonder if they are still around. They were during Desert Storm. It does seem that every other years there is an reorganization of some sort or another.
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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah - the biggest newspaper in liberia is spreading that crap. Between that and attacking aid workers, there are going to be a lot of social enablers of this disease. We are nowhere even near the inflection point, I think.
    Greetings, cpwill.

    Are they suggesting that we are there to kill more of them faster, or that it's guilty conscience on our part to try to help them fight what we supposedly gave them in the first place, since we're apparently immune to Ebola? This is getting stranger by the day.....

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, cpwill.

    Are they suggesting that we are there to kill more of them faster, or that it's guilty conscience on our part to try to help them fight what we supposedly gave them in the first place, since we're apparently immune to Ebola? This is getting stranger by the day.....
    It's part of our grand design to wipe out the African Race, and also a military test gone awry kinda dumb, but nobody ever said that the anti-American conspiratists had to be consistent...

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's part of our grand design to wipe out the African Race, and also a military test gone awry kinda dumb, but nobody ever said that the anti-American conspiratists had to be consistent...
    Or even to make sense, apparently.

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    sure, and most of those employees overseas are dependent upon DOD logistics. They do not have the same lift capacity.

    Look man, one of us in this conversation has actually been both in the active duty military and a military contractor. I'm not against contracting this sort of thing out - but you have to have realistic expectations. No one, but no one, has the projection capability of the US Defense Department.
    I suppose you believe that it takes the DOD and American troops to go and fight a disease. In the first place, what you are talking about is the ability to pay for the work. It's not the DOD that carries the financial burden so the uniqueness of having soldiers at it's disposal is meaningless. The money comes from the general fund and the only question is who gets paid. My objection is that this kind of work is not within, or shouldn't be within the scope of the military. There are individuals who are actually trained to fight disease who would be a more rational choice than some nineteen year old kid who's been through basic training and AIT. For me, it's not who pays, or who has projection capacity. It's a question of who is the best fit to stop the pandemic. For a pandemic, it's not soldiers unless they are to enforce a quarantine. The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things, not to be a social welfare organization. If we are going to throw bodies at a problem, throw the appropriate bodies.
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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    The 3,000 US troops are from the Africa Command (AFRICOM) and represents two-thirds of this Command's 4,800 assigned personnel. Liberia was the only African nation to offer to host AFRICOM command headquarters in 2008 but AFRICOM declined. Strangely enough, AFRICOM headquarters is located in Germany.

    The US soldiers are supposed to help distribute supplies, build medical training facilities, and recruit 500 medical workers to staff clinics. Recruit them from where is a good question. It is also unknown if and to what extent contractors will be utilized and if constructed facilities are intended to be temporary or permanent.

    Two days ago, the chief medical officer in Liberia quarantined herself for 21 days after her assistant died from Ebola.

    Top Ebola Doc Puts Herself in Quarantine


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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Should a conscripted Nazi solider be prosecuted for refusing to turn on the gas chamber? Or a U.S. solider refusing to drop an Atomic bomb on Japanese citizens?

    You saying 'this person should help people and do what the government they were born into says, or else the government can take them to court and put them in jail.' is immoral. This is the fundamental collectivist belief that people are tools for 'society' and used as a means to achieve majority ends. Your claim is- people should be forced to help, when its helping someone/others a lot. According to your logic, you should be prosecuted for having more food than you need to live because you aren't feeding people who are starving in other places in the world. You go to work instead of going to feed those people and save their lives.

    This belief justifies taking other peoples money by force because it helps others and doesn't hurt them; along with enslaving a few people if it keeps cotton prices low for everyone.

    Soldiers should not be prosecuted for not obeying commands of the state.

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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That, and we enable autocratic governments who hinder economic development via our aid programs.
    Smart enough assessment. Which means we either have morons, both parties, pushing bad policy, or we have leaders, both parties, who view it somehow advantageous to "US interests" to hold some parts of the world down.
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    Re: If you were military would you refuse to "fight" the Ebola virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You didn't want to go to Afghanistan? If you don't mind me asking, why? I can understand people saying that about Iraq, but Afghanistan... unless you're a truther?
    There were plenty of people who thought that since the vast majority of the 9/11 attackers came out of Saudi Arabia that a war in A-Stan was misguided. Not enough though. Only now are there a bit more Americans that acknowledge that mistake, then there are those still defending it, and quite naturally, it's more likely to be republicans which defend it. And that's because Americans are more likely to be loyal to their party ahead of loyal to the constitution, or sound policy.


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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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