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Should DC Become the 51st State?

Should DC Become the 51st State?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 20.8%

  • No

    Votes: 55 76.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Total voters
    72
Gaius46 said:
Maybe, maybe not. It's irrelevant. Congressman represent people, not land.

House members are specifically apportioned based on population. All states get 2 Senators regardless of size. If your contention about land area was valid Alaska, with a quarter million less people and 10 times the land area, should have more Senators than Rhode Island. It doesn't.
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I understand your thinking---common to all who can't stand the Nation the Founder's set into place.

By your rational---every city like Washington DC should have its own state and so on.

I hear the same thing from Leftist talking heads on CNN and MSNBC---we need votes based on the population only (illegal or not, with no ID).
 
American said:
If it was intended to be a State, they wouldn't have made it a special district. Could you be more blunt about ignoring the Constitution?
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Are you aware that the constitution can be changed through amendments and that has been done many times? Without amendments we wouldn't have a Bill of Rights.
 
Flamethrower said:
By your rational---every city like Washington DC should have its own state and so on.
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There are no other cities like Washington DC. DC is literally the only city where the residents residing in it do not belong to a state.
 
Hard Truth said:
I expect rabid denial, but reading between the lines of some of the responses shows that the opposition is largely due to fear of more representation of Democrats and/or non-whites. There is also the usual knee-jerk opposition to any change.
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Perhaps the OP and many of his advocates are Black Supremacists that know DC is majority Black and very liberal and won't admit the very reason they are wanting statehood is to increase (unfairly) Black Power?
 
Henrin said:
Well if democrats and republicans alike would stop attacking my freedom I would be more inclined to change my view on the topic.
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Which freedoms are those?

As a move back to the DC topic, I can only see it with a 52nd state proposed in Puerto Rico also, ala the Missouri Compromise.
But that assumes a giant leap to a functional House/Senate .
 
Perhaps the people opposing the OP are afraid to put up their positivities for the future of the Nation, since they have none.
Only a Sen. Graham trying to scare the Nation that ISIL will kill millions of Americans.
No need to tell these GOPs/press any specifics of the "strategy" until after the fact, as with Obama's current "strategy" .
Flamethrower said:
Perhaps the OP and many of his advocates are Black Supremacists that know DC is majority Black and very liberal and won't admit the very reason they are wanting statehood is to increase (unfairly) Black Power?
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NIMBY said:
Which freedoms are those?
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I could talk about that all day and I assure you that is not something you want to read. Still, how about my right to privacy, my right not to be searched and scanned at the airport, my right to do with my property as I see fit, my right to run my business my way and not be told solutions to problems that the government thinks exists, or how about being forced to withhold my employees income and thus fail to pay them in full for their work as I promised. How about we start there and then perhaps we can talk about the entire list.
 
TeleKat said:
There are no other cities like Washington DC. DC is literally the only city where the residents residing in it do not belong to a state.
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I believe your goal is to dismantle the Constitution. Obviously you have no tolerance for individual liberties such as the 2nd Amendment.

If you could break apart the law and the caucus system for Presidential votes, I'm sure you would be all for it.
 
Ikari said:
No, not at all. DC was to be the seat of the federal government itself, not really a town. But if we want to make it so in order that the residents of DC gain representation then it should just be absorbed into Maryland, it should not become a state unto itself.
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I think that is the best solution. Give Maryland an extra Congressman. Done deal.
 
NIMBY said:
Perhaps the people opposing the OP are afraid to put up their positivities for the future of the Nation, since they have none.
Only a Sen. Graham trying to scare the Nation that ISIL will kill millions of Americans.
No need to tell these GOPs/press any specifics of the "strategy" until after the fact, as with Obama's current "strategy" .
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No need to dodge the question now and change the subject.


Do you think the quest for greater Black Supremacy is goal of the DC statehood advocates, just as Sharpton and Jessie are calling for the same demands of Supremacy in Ferguson?
 
Flamethrower said:
No need to dodge the question now and change the subject.
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No dodge at all--as all can read and decide--fair, balanced and unafraid.
I believe a companion 52nd state in Puerto Rico would be a fine Missouri Compromise.


Do you think the quest for greater Black Supremacy is goal of the DC statehood advocates, just as Sharpton and Jessie are calling for the same demands of Supremacy in Ferguson?
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I don't look at things as you do in terms of race with respect to Black Supremacy.
I watch all the Cables, such as Krauthammer calling Obama a "narcissist" .
 
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Flamethrower said:
I believe your goal is to dismantle the Constitution.
Obviously you have no tolerance for individual liberties such as the 2nd Amendment.
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Where did the Constitution and 2nd amendment come from?
FYI, it was an elderly Black Chicagoan who took our anti-CC law to court in Illinois and won.
He wants CC, rather than OC, so gang-bangers don't know who's carrying.

If you could break apart the law and the caucus system for Presidential votes, I'm sure you would be all for it.
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GOP states like Florida continue to break GOP rules on primaries by moving their dates ahead of other states ala 2012.
Florida lost half of their delegates due to this smooth move .
 
VanceMack said:
I think that is the best solution. Give Maryland an extra Congressman. Done deal.
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I don't know if they'd get an extra congressman, the number is well set and if DC is included into Maryland, then it should be distributed as nominal. They may end up with an extra congressman, but it's population based.

Regardless, I just don't think DC deserves to be a State in and of itself. I understand the representation argument, but statehood is a bit too much.
 
TeleKat said:
There are no other cities like Washington DC. DC is literally the only city where the residents residing in it do not belong to a state.
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Precisely. It's supposed to be a relatively "no where" capital. It's that way by design.
 
Henrin said:
I could talk about that all day and I assure you that is not something you want to read. Still, how about my right to privacy, my right not to be searched and scanned at the airport, my right to do with my property as I see fit, my right to run my business my way and not be told solutions to problems that the government thinks exists, or how about being forced to withhold my employees income and thus fail to pay them in full for their work as I promised. How about we start there and then perhaps we can talk about the entire list.
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How about the right of people to board a plane that is safe from terrorists who infiltrated from Canada on 9/11 ?
 
NIMBY said:
How about the right of people to board a plane that is safe from terrorists who infiltrated from Canada on 9/11 ?
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You mean the right to be free of any danger? A right declaration like that comes at a pretty high price. Are you sure you want to pay it?
 
NIMBY said:
How about the right of people to board a plane that is safe from terrorists who infiltrated from Canada on 9/11 ?
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There's no right to absolute safety. In fact, in a free State you will not be "safe".
 
There most certainly is in the mind of a vast majority of Americans.

Ikari said:
There's no right to absolute safety. In fact, in a free State you will not be "safe".
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Which will continue to leave any administration open for egregious politicking every time there is another terrorist suicide bombing.

Why should we play by different rules than Putin and ISIL during a time of multiple inherited overlapping administrative wars?

And what do you think of Rand Paul trying to outflank the neo-cons on ISIL?
Pretty shameless politics from a so-called Libertarian/isolationist don't you think?

I'll be looking for your responses about American death due to terrorism from this day forward .
 
NIMBY said:
There most certainly is in the mind of a vast majority of Americans.



Which will continue to leave any administration open for egregious politicking every time there is another terrorist suicide bombing.

Why should we play by different rules than Putin and ISIL during a time of multiple inherited overlapping administrative wars?

And what do you think of Rand Paul trying to outflank the neo-cons on ISIL?
Pretty shameless politics from a so-called Libertarian/isolationist don't you think?

I'll be looking for your responses about American death due to terrorism from this day forward .
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They happen, and while there are reasonable actions the government takes to limit probabilities, it cannot make the probability zero. Not without doing some horrible things which are well worse than some non-zero probability of terrorist attack.
 
Henrin said:
You mean the right to be free of any danger?
A right declaration like that comes at a pretty high price. Are you sure you want to pay it?
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As long as people like Sen. Graham fear-monger about millions of Americans dying from ISIL WMDs at today's senate hearing,
you better believe it.

Obama is fighting multiple wars against the enemy abroad while Senators like Graham and McCain continue to war-monger
at home for boots on the ground with no speak-back from other GOPs .
 
Ikari said:
They happen, and while there are reasonable actions the government takes to limit probabilities, it cannot make the probability zero. Not without doing some horrible things which are well worse than some non-zero probability of terrorist attack.
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As soon as the loyal opposition stops playing politics with American death due to terrorism, I'll consider what you say--not until.
You saw the Nation come together after 9/11/2001--not so much now .
 
NIMBY said:
As soon as the loyal opposition stops playing politics with American death due to terrorism, I'll consider what you say--not until.
You saw the Nation come together after 9/11/2001--not so much now .
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They will continue playing politics with American deaths until WE stop rewarding them for doing so.
 
NIMBY said:
No dodge at all--as all can read and decide--fair, balanced and unafraid.
I believe a companion 52nd state in Puerto Rico would be a fine Missouri Compromise.
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That will never be considered acceptable because there are too many black and brown people in Puerto Rico and they don't vote for Republicans enough.
 
What needs to happen is that we need to redefine what is Washington D.C. We need to separate the part that is related to the gov't and return the rest to the states that originally donated the land. This way, there's no one "living" in D.C. and no more issue.
 
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