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Should DC Become the 51st State?

Should DC Become the 51st State?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 20.8%

  • No

    Votes: 55 76.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Total voters
    72
American said:
^^^^^^

Says the guy who wants to dismantle the US Constitution. :doh
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You don't need to dismantle something that you can actively ignore or misinterpret. Obviously the commerce clause that talks about commerce between listed members includes groups not included in the list. Obviously. Really, just because it doesn't mention business or private citizens doesn't mean they aren't included. I mean obviously its a rule of basic grammar that a list is of no meaning whatsoever. :lol:
 
Flamethrower said:
Really?

So there was no rhyme, reason or logic when the borders of the 13 colonies were drawn?

Sorry, but size does matter.
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Maybe, maybe not. It's irrelevant. Congressman represent people, not land.

House members are specifically apportioned based on population. All states get 2 Senators regardless of size. If your contention about land area was valid Alaska, with a quarter million less people and 10 times the land area, should have more Senators than Rhode Island. It doesn't.
 
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Gaius46 said:
So your own interests override all other considerations? You'd disenfranchise people because they don't believe as you?
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I'm not disenfranchising them, but just avoiding their plague from further infecting the country by making them part of Maryland where that infection has already taken hold.
 
Crovax said:
I'm glad you think a convicted murderer should vote, but most of us don't and that's why most can't
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Not all felons are murderers.

We as society does get to decide who votes and who doesn't
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In a proper democracy, all adults vote. All adults have a voice. I don't give a flying leap what you and "society" decides. What if the majority of society suddenly decides Republicans are "irresponsible" and should be barred from voting? Is that ok?
 
Henrin said:
You don't need to dismantle something that you can actively ignore or misinterpret. Obviously the commerce clause that talks about commerce between listed members includes groups not included in the list. Obviously. Really, just because it doesn't mention business or private citizens doesn't mean they aren't included. I mean obviously its a rule of basic grammar that a list is of no meaning whatsoever. :lol:
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His little gif talks about liberals intent on destroying America while simultaneously planning to ignore the intent of Article I, Section 8.
 
TeleKat said:
How about we not use a blatantly immoral and authoritarian tactic to force people out of their homes?
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sounds to me like he just wants to redraw lines on a map

not forcing anyone out of their house

just those that used to live in dc, would now live in md or va depending upon where on the map they are

it solves their taxation without representation issue completely

no one other than the president and vice president would live in dc.....

so no need for any congressman or senators

i think it serves all well
 
American said:
If it was intended to be a State, they wouldn't have made it a special district. Could you be more blunt about ignoring the Constitution?
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Since I'm in favor of DC becoming a state that means "I hate the Constitution". I would ask how you came to that conclusion, but as usual its baseless typical ****.
 
gdgyva said:
sounds to me like he just wants to redraw lines on a map

not forcing anyone out of their house
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He literally said he wanted to use eminent domain to force people to move.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Since I'm in favor of DC becoming a state that means "I hate the Constitution". I would ask how you came to that conclusion, but as usual its baseless typical ****.
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You didn't even read the Constitution, you just jumped on the bandwagon of some idiot Democrat who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, who wanted to institute PC fairness in DC. You didn't, but that jackass took an oath to protect the Constitution, and no where in it can an intent to form Washington DC into a state be found.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Since I'm in favor of DC becoming a state that means "I hate the Constitution". I would ask how you came to that conclusion, but as usual its baseless typical ****.
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[The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
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What does the word regulate mean and why did the founders put a list of groups that congress can regulate commerce among? Why do you believe the federal government can regulate business when business is clearly not included as a group the congress can regulate?
 
American said:
You didn't even read the Constitution, you just jumped on the bandwagon of some idiot Democrat who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, who wanted to institute PC fairness in DC. You didn't, but that jackass took an oath to protect the Constitution, and no where in it can an intent to form Washington DC into a state be found.
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:lamo Still didnt explain how "I hate the Constitution". Its simple you made a baseless accusation.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Recently the Senate heard arguments for Washington DC to become the 51st state. Only two members of the Senate heard the arguments. In your opinion do you think Washington DC should become the 51st state in the Union?


Congress takes up bill to make D.C. the 51st state
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Yes, otherwise it is taxation without representation. I might support a good argument for exempting areas in close proximity to the most essential federal buildings.

My understanding is that DC will never be a state as long as Republicans can prevent it because they expect them to vote for Democrats. Same with Puerto Rico.
 
Henrin said:
What does the word regulate mean and why did the founders put a list of groups that congress can regulate commerce among? Why do you believe the federal government can regulate business when business is clearly not included as a group the congress can regulate?
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Is this thread about congresses power to regulate commerce or is it about Washington DC statehood?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:lamo Still didnt explain how "I hate the Constitution". Its simple you made a baseless accusation.
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Read your mocking of someone thinking socialists wanting to destroy America, while you promote the idea of turning Washington in a state.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Because the citizens who reside in DC do not have an actual voice in congress.
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So?

TeleKat said:
Taxation without representation defeats the whole purpose of the democratic republic our founders set up. Residents of DC pay taxes to the federal government and are forced to abide by the laws they write, yet are not able to have a say in either. At that point we might as well scrap the whole "democratic republic" idea and turn our country into a parliamentary monarchy or an oligarchy.
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I'd ask you to actively show why a democratic system is intrinsically obligatory, but I'll instead try a direct refutation.

Should non-voters (minors, incompetents, felons, foreigners, etc.) be bound to pay taxes and obey the laws?
 
American said:
Read your mocking of someone thinking socialists wanting to destroy America,
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Which is another baseless accusation

while you promote the idea of turning Washington in a state.
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Still doesnt explain your accusation of: "I hate the Constitution".
 
humbolt said:
Dc is already dysfunctional. No need to further institutionalize that. They aren't worthy of statehood.
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dogtowner said:
Theyre all on the govt teet so they shouldnt have representation anyway
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Flamethrower said:
Washington DC is so awful due to the residents of the city---who have elected leaders that share their typical moral values of smoking and sniffing coke, defending or participating in street gangs and various other criminal pursuits.

DC is only going to go downhill---maybe not as bad as Sodom or Gomorrah, but with a city so controlled by morally debased residents---it will be hard to change.
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Crovax said:
Until the morons stop electing a coke head to public office they don't deserve a vote in congress.
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I expect rabid denial, but reading between the lines of some of the responses shows that the opposition is largely due to fear of more representation of Democrats and/or non-whites. There is also the usual knee-jerk opposition to any change.
 
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Henrin said:
Roll your eyes if you want, but I really don't want more democratic congressmen or another state like Maryland.
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Your honesty is appreciated. Your willingness to disregard fairness for partisan advantage is not.
 
Hard Truth said:
Your honesty is appreciated. Your willingness to disregard fairness for partisan advantage is not.
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Well if democrats and republicans alike would stop attacking my freedom I would be more inclined to change my view on the topic.
 
Ockham said:
How about a different spin: The Fed's use eminent domain and claim a portion of DC's land. Everyone who's unfortunate enough to be affected must live outside of the newly created lines. The land left over is equally distributed to the bordering states. No one in DC proper now can "live" there. No businesses can operate in DC proper - in other words remove any ability for non government workers to live or do business of any kind. Hotels will not operate in this newly drawn area either - hotels must operate outside of the DC lines.

This solves lots of problems - no taxes inside DC so no taxation without representation. No new 51'st state required - DC stays intact albeit smaller. Increase of taxes to the surrounding states as more people and businesses will be moved into them given the new state lines.
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I don't know that emminent domain is necessary or wise, but otherwise that seems like a reasonable alternative to statehood that should be broadly accepted except for those seeking to disenfrachise minorities and Democrats.
 
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