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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Because the Constitution says it needs to be a District, created from the cession of the states.
    The capital of the US resided in Virginia and later Philadelphia for quite a while after the constitution was ratified...

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Already established that they gave up those rights when the DC was formed.
    "They" weren't alive when DC was formed. "They" didn't give up any rights. Especially not the fundamental right to have representation in their government.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Recently the Senate heard arguments for Washington DC to become the 51st state. Only two members of the Senate heard the arguments. In your opinion do you think Washington DC should become the 51st state in the Union?


    Congress takes up bill to make D.C. the 51st state
    No, not at all. DC was to be the seat of the federal government itself, not really a town. But if we want to make it so in order that the residents of DC gain representation then it should just be absorbed into Maryland, it should not become a state unto itself.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Already established that they gave up those rights when the DC was formed.
    So? Does this mean it shouldnt/cant change?


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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Taxation without representation defeats the whole purpose of the democratic republic our founders set up. Residents of DC pay taxes to the federal government and are forced to abide by the laws they write, yet are not able to have a say in either. At that point we might as well scrap the whole "democratic republic" idea and turn our country into a parliamentary monarchy or an oligarchy.
    That's a potential argument for D.C. to be a state unto itself or to be absorbed. Nevertheless the concern for representation was actually the rationale for why the capital should not be part of an actual state. A number of the Founders, if you will, argued that it was dangerous for representation to allow the capital to be in a state or to be considered a state. Those who wanted the industrial North to be the place of the capital, say, a Hamilton, argued that it was good for the capital to be in the main place of commerce, and so forth. This created a legislative deadlock. A compromise was needed. A compromise was created, largely on the basis of that agrarian, anti-industrial commerce, political virtue argument, so that Hamilton could in turn get the assumption of debt. As a result, the Founding generation largely gave way to the idea that this did not in fact "defeat the whole purpose" of the Republic they set up. Rather, it either was not that important, or it in fact, secured the Republic.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Already established that they gave up those rights when the DC was formed.
    Did they? The land that forms D.C. had people living on it before D.C. was created. Did those original residents willingly give up their rights?

    I'm against the idea of D.C. statehood but believe D.C. Representative in Congress should have voting rights. I'd also lean towards giving the district Senators as well
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    DC residents are taxed without representation in Congress. The same type of situation, in fact, that started the revolutionary war. I say yes, turn DC into the 51st state so that the 645,000 DC residents actually have representation in their federal government.
    Theyre all on the govt teet so they shouldnt have representation anyway

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by dogtowner View Post
    Theyre all on the govt teet so they shouldnt have representation anyway
    Link?

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Hence the problem.
    No, the problem is that they CHOOSE to live there, knowing that they're not in a state and don't get to vote. What about personal responsibility?

    What about granting DC statehood will make it cease to be the seat of the government?
    Or you could just make every American citizen, regardless of where they live, eligible to vote and not worry about statehood. American citizens living overseas can still vote, just make the people in Washington DC able to vote by mail.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So? Does this mean it shouldnt/cant change?
    Washington DC is so awful due to the residents of the city---who have elected leaders that share their typical moral values of smoking and sniffing coke, defending or participating in street gangs and various other criminal pursuits.

    DC is only going to go downhill---maybe not as bad as Sodom or Gomorrah, but with a city so controlled by morally debased residents---it will be hard to change.
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