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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Good points. My initial suggestion was to let each voter choose which state he wants to be considered a citizen of, not selected to referendum, the federal government or whoever in a n all or nothing fashion. However, I just remembered DC residents were in fact allowed to vote for President, unlike those in the US territories. Nevertheless, I'm okay with treating DC like a big military base or embassy in terms of the status of the people who live there. Servicemen and diplomats who reside on those federal lands don't the lose state citizenship of where they're from even though they don't technically live there.
    But servicemen and diplomats are ASSIGNED those assignments away from their homeland and therefore do have a permanent residency in one of the 50 states and they do not lose their eligibility to vote in state elections. However, those who choose to make their primary residence in Costa Rica or France or Great Britain or Mexico or whereve can vote in Presidential elections but are not entitled to Congressional representation. And neither should those be who CHOOSE to make their primary residence in Washington DC.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But servicemen and diplomats are ASSIGNED those assignments away from their homeland and therefore do have a permanent residency in one of the 50 states and they do not lose their eligibility to vote in state elections. However, those who choose to make their primary residence in Costa Rica or France or Great Britain or Mexico or whereve can vote in Presidential elections but are not entitled to Congressional representation. And neither should those be who CHOOSE to make their primary residence in Washington DC.
    What about civilian American contractors who live on overseas embassies or US military bases? I don't know for sure; just asking. What about the spouses of the diplomats and servicemen who themselves were not "assigned?"
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    What about civilian American contractors who live on overseas embassies or US military bases? I don't know for sure; just asking. What about the spouses of the diplomats and servicemen who themselves were not "assigned?"
    Such people can still vote in Presidential elections. But if they choose to give up residency in whatever state they came from, it was their choice. And like folks who choose to live in DC, they should voluntarily give up Congressional representation. The rest of us should be under no obligation to accommodate those who voluntarily give up their rights or benefits.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Exactly, so making D.C. a state would change all that.

    How would that work?
    It wouldn't change things significantly. The DC state would not have any more power over the federal government, its land or buildings than other any other state government. Private property and public land and buildings designated for non-federal local use in Washington DC would be under the control of the new state government.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Why is this?
    I don't know how to describe decency and fairness and respect for the rights of others to someone who doesn't understand those concepts despite being a literate American adult. Besides being morally right, implementing those concepts helps reduce hostility and conflicts. The situation in Iraq right now is largely the result of a government that did treat a portion of the population (Sunnis) fairly.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I don't know how to describe decency and fairness and respect for the rights of others to someone who doesn't understand those concepts despite being a literate American adult. Besides being morally right, implementing those concepts helps reduce hostility and conflicts. The situation in Iraq right now is largely the result of a government that did treat a portion of the population (Sunnis) fairly.
    correction: The situation in Iraq right now is largely the result of a government that didn't treat a portion of the population (Sunnis) fairly.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It wouldn't change things significantly. The DC state would not have any more power over the federal government, its land or buildings than other any other state government. Private property and public land and buildings designated for non-federal local use in Washington DC would be under the control of the new state government.
    Nevertheless, the federal seat of government should be neutral and not subject to any one state laws. Just as there should be a separation of the federal government from the authority of any church, there should be a separation of the federal government from the authority of any state. The federal government should be subject to the authority of all the people and not any one state.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Such people can still vote in Presidential elections. But if they choose to give up residency in whatever state they came from, it was their choice. And like folks who choose to live in DC, they should voluntarily give up Congressional representation. The rest of us should be under no obligation to accommodate those who voluntarily give up their rights or benefits.
    At least we agree DC should not be a state. I just think all Americans should have equality of civil rights regardless of where they live. Giving DC residents the option of declaring citizenship of either a nearby state, a formerly resided in state or the state of their birth seems to me to be fair; provided they also pay state taxes.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    At least we agree DC should not be a state. I just think all Americans should have equality of civil rights regardless of where they live. Giving DC residents the option of declaring citizenship of either a nearby state, a formerly resided in state or the state of their birth seems to me to be fair; provided they also pay state taxes.
    The people of DC have the same civil rights as anybody else. But if they want congressional representation, they need to live in one of the 50 states to get it just like everybody else does. If they choose to live in DC, they do so under the condition that they will have no congressional representation just like everybody else would. It isn't as if they are forced to live in DC, so no civil rights are involved in any way.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Recently the Senate heard arguments for Washington DC to become the 51st state. Only two members of the Senate heard the arguments. In your opinion do you think Washington DC should become the 51st state in the Union?
    No, but neither should it have electoral votes.

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