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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the land the D.C. site on federal land right now? Are the federal authorities responsible for protecting the capital buildings?

    If D.C. is made a state all that would transfer to the new state Governemnt.

    How would all that be worked out? You have to figure in the federal protection of the president and the other representatvies.

    If D.C. is a state they will butt heads at every turn.

    Why go through all that?

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    None of those Amendments has anything to do with DC.

    The DoI is not law.



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    The Declaration of Independence is one of the roots of the concept of "no taxation without representation." The quoted amendments establish the principal of universal citizenship and suffrage for all adults born in the USA. In addition, general decency and fairness requires giving all rights to legal residents of the USA no matter where they live.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the land the D.C. site on federal land right now? Are the federal authorities responsible for protecting the capital buildings?

    If D.C. is made a state all that would transfer to the new state Governemnt.

    How would all that be worked out? You have to figure in the federal protection of the president and the other representatvies.

    If D.C. is a state they will butt heads at every turn.

    Why go through all that?
    Federally owned land everywhere in the USA is not under state or local control. They are exempt from zoning laws and many other regulations that would usually impact land owners in their location. A state of DC would not be able to enforce any laws restricting the federal government.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Federally owned land everywhere in the USA is not under state or local control. They are exempt from zoning laws and many other regulations that would usually impact land owners in their location. A state of DC would not be able to enforce any laws restricting the federal government.
    Exactly, so making D.C. a state would change all that.

    How would that work?

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Interesting article at least putting some of the alternatives in historical context:

    District of Columbia retrocession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    In addition, general decency and fairness requires giving all rights to legal residents of the USA no matter where they live.
    Why is this?

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Exactly, so making D.C. a state would change all that.

    How would that work?
    I'm sure the federal government would charge for it, and withhold enticement money if the new state didn't pay up.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Federally owned land everywhere in the USA is not under state or local control. They are exempt from zoning laws and many other regulations that would usually impact land owners in their location. A state of DC would not be able to enforce any laws restricting the federal government.
    That's the issue I believe he's trying to point out.

    I believe the land of the city known as Washington DC is all FEDERALLY owned land. As you noted, federally owned land is not under staet or local control. So by turning Washington DC into a state, would that land cease being federal land? Would it remain federal land and "Washington DC" would be a state with no land that it claims it's own? Would part of the federal land be rescinded and made state land, but some of the rest would remain federal?

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Doing a bit more research, I would amend my earlier suggestion...

    Since DC is essentially created out of land that was Maryland's, I would not split the district in two for the purpose of voting.

    Treat "Washington DC" as a county/district of Maryland for the purpose of federal elections. Count the residents of DC as residents of Maryland for the purpose of determining representatives. Residents of Washington DC would be voting for Maryland Senators and representative.

    This provides Washintonians the chance to cast votes for elected officials in Congress, while leaving the District of Columbia as an independent city unaffiliated and seperate from the state system.

    Alternatively, a retrocession of most of the land of Washington, DC to maryland...shrinking the size of the Capital and minimizing the impacted residents (and perhaps offer some kind of temporary, one time, relocation assistance to move people out...approving no future residential land inside the capital).

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But as has already been noted, that would require consent of the state they do not reside in. Or it should. If the federal government assumes power to assign people to a state for purposes of voting, then it is all over for us as a representative republic. The federal government could gerrymand the vote anyway they wanted it to go.

    People who live in DC do so knowing they are in an area designated for the seat of government for ALL the people and that they are not a state and are not entitled to have federal representatives. If that is a big deal to them, then they can move minutes away to Maryland or Virginia. Washington DC shouldn't even be a city, much less a state.
    Good points. My initial suggestion was to let each voter choose which state he wants to be considered a citizen of, not selected by referendum, the federal government or whoever in an all or nothing one size fits all fashion. However, I just remembered DC residents were in fact allowed to vote for President, unlike those in the US territories. Nevertheless, I'm okay with treating DC like a big military base or embassy in terms of the status of the people who live there. Servicemen and diplomats who reside on those federal lands don't the lose state citizenship of where they're from even though they don't technically live in those states.
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