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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    They're citizens of the United States of America.
    So? Are children, felons, the incompetent. etc. not Citizens?

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    And with that you smear all on the right with the usual cries of racism and fear of libruls. Nice piece of work, there.
    I was referring to some of the posts on this thread which used knee jerk (You can't change the Constitution!) and racist arguments for opposing DC statehood, not talking about "all on the right.". Here's the most recent racist one:

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    That's all we need two crackhead Senators and a couple of crackhead Congressmen.

    BTW: Of the 645,000 DC residents, how many actually pay individual income taxes ?
    Here's a fear of "libruls" post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    PR's vote overwhelmingly with liberals and democrats---so I'm sure you'd be all for it.......

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    And why is it necessary that they have representation?
    Declaration of Independence
    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,.."

    which includes this complaint about the British rule
    "imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:.."

    14th Amendment
    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws....

    15th Amendment
    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

    19th amendment
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    And why is it necessary that they have representation?
    Representation is one of the foundations of this country. It was the lack of representation and a voice that was a main reason for the American Revolution. Ever heard of the Boston Tea Party?
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I was referring to some of the posts on this thread which used knee jerk (You can't change the Constitution!) and racist arguments for opposing DC statehood, not talking about "all on the right.". Here's the most recent racist one:



    Here's a fear of "libruls" post.
    Racist arguments ?

    The former Mayor of D.C. the crackhead Marion Barry was busted and convicted for smoking crack and after getting out of the joint (no pun intended) was again elected as Mayor of D.C. by the people of that city where Congressmen get mugged at night.

    Under all of that facade of marble in the D.C. it's third world.

    If it were Tommy Chong who was elected Mayor after getting out of the joint after his conviction for manufacturing bongs, I would still would have posted the same thing.

    Side drift:
    I still don't understand why the G.W. Bush's DOJ went after Tommy ??? It had to be one of the episodes of "That 70's Show" that pissed off some one in the Bush administration. ???

    I digress.

    It's obvious you live in a black and white world.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Declaration of Independence
    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,.."

    which includes this complaint about the British rule
    "imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:.."

    14th Amendment
    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws....

    15th Amendment
    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

    19th amendment
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
    None of those Amendments has anything to do with DC.

    The DoI is not law.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Representation is one of the foundations of this country. It was the lack of representation and a voice that was a main reason for the American Revolution. Ever heard of the Boston Tea Party?
    Yes I have. I do not condone treason.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I was referring to some of the posts on this thread which used knee jerk (You can't change the Constitution!) and racist arguments for opposing DC statehood, not talking about "all on the right.". Here's the most recent racist one:



    Here's a fear of "libruls" post.
    Neither of those posts demonstrate much more than dysfunctional nature of the district, in spite of what you think you see. DC did have a crackhead mayor. And don't tell me you would support statehood yourself if the district was overwhelmingly right-leaning. You wouldn't.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Absolutely not. Washington DC is the seat of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, not a state. No individual was forced to make Washington DC their home, and by making it their home they're doing so with full understanding that it is not a state.

    If this is such a huge issue then you slice DC in a rough diagnol, incorporating the top half into Maryland and the bottom half into Virginia. You carve out a small part of the middle with the Capital Building and some other near by things as being "Washington DC" and you disallow any residential space within that portion.

    Alternatively, if you don't want to literally incorporate DC into those areas, give the residents of those areas voting rights in Federal elections with said states. So those in the bottom half of that suggested cut in DC would cast votes (and count for census numbers) with regards to Virginia's Senators and Congressman. Those in the top half of the suggested cut would do the same for Maryland's politicians.

    This way they DO have representation they've cast votes for in the Congress and Senate, but Washington DC remains a neutral seat of government as opposed to an co-equal state that happens to have the capital within it.

    But DC absolutely should not become its own individual state.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    How about we not outlaw people from living in certain areas of the country and just make DC a state? Why is that such a big deal to you?
    Why wouldn't DC resident vote for the representative in the state where their house used to belong?

    Wouldn't that be Virginia?

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    No but I would support DC residents the option of choosing between being legal citizens of Virginia, Maryland or the state of their birth for the purposes of voting for potus, us senators and governor.
    But as has already been noted, that would require consent of the state they do not reside in. Or it should. If the federal government assumes power to assign people to a state for purposes of voting, then it is all over for us as a representative republic. The federal government could gerrymand the vote anyway they wanted it to go.

    People who live in DC do so knowing they are in an area designated for the seat of government for ALL the people and that they are not a state and are not entitled to have federal representatives. If that is a big deal to them, then they can move minutes away to Maryland or Virginia. Washington DC shouldn't even be a city, much less a state.
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