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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Did they? The land that forms D.C. had people living on it before D.C. was created. Did those original residents willingly give up their rights?

    I'm against the idea of D.C. statehood but believe D.C. Representative in Congress should have voting rights. I'd also lean towards giving the district Senators as well
    Yes, the territory cessions was authorized by the state, to which the people elected their representatives.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Washington DC was intended to be the seat of government for the whole country and not just the Republicans or Democrats or any other demographic. It was intended to not be a state so that no state would 'own' the Capital building, the White House, the Supreme Court Building, the Smithsonian, etc. etc. etc. If they want the people who live there to have representation, then pass a bill allowing them to register in a neighboring state and vote there. But DC itself should remain neutral and owned by us all.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    No you don't understand my thinking because you completely misunderstand my argument, are drawing absurd conclusions from it, and you apparently misunderstand the Constitutional mechanism that the founders put in place for legislative representation.


    First things first. DC should not be state. Not because it's small, as you've stated, but because Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution says so. Further Article 1 Section 8 essentially gives Congress responsibility to govern DC. It has nothing to do with the
    size of the district. Nor do I think that every city "should have it's own state" whatever that means. How you reached that conclusion is beyond me.

    As far as size goes I'm simply rebutting your assertion that land area matters. It does not. House membership is apportioned based on population, not land area. The Senators are fixed - every state regardless of land area gets the same number of Senators. No where does land area come into play.

    The only thing I've noted is that the district's residents don't have effective Congressional representation, which violates at least the spirit of the Constitution if not the letter. Given that I would not oppose changing the Constitution, if need be, to allow district residents effective representation.

    With the exception of Hawaii, which is twice the size of Rhode Island, there has been no historical precedence for small states, or "city states" like DC to form and become states.

    As I've already mentioned, let the current citizens of DC, not the illegals, be part of original state they were carved out from, Maryland, and vote with them. That is a change I could support.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    No dodge at all--as all can read and decide--fair, balanced and unafraid.
    I believe a companion 52nd state in Puerto Rico would be a fine Missouri Compromise.




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    Thinking that race is not at least part of the reason why DC Statehood advocateswant it, is having one's head in the sand.

    Only the most narrow-minded believe there is only "White Supremacy" and not "Hispanic-, Black, Native American-, or any other Supremacy."
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    How many states have a population LESS that DC? Vermont and Wyoming. So smaller population areas are indeed states.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Recently the Senate heard arguments for Washington DC to become the 51st state. Only two members of the Senate heard the arguments. In your opinion do you think Washington DC should become the 51st state in the Union?


    Congress takes up bill to make D.C. the 51st state
    If we're going to have a representative democracy, we need to do it right. That isn't happening when certain segments of the population are not being represented.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    Only the most narrow-minded believe there is only "White Supremacy" and
    not "Hispanic-, Black, Native American-, or any other Supremacy."
    And I have never been one of those.
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    My life was saved buy a Black Full Bird doctor when I was a baby in England--kinda changes one's outlook.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Why would you bring up illegals?
    And why is it once again that all conservatives in this thread are against statehood?

    I've already offered a great Missouri Compromise with also bringing in Puerto Rico.
    That's what's called thinking out of the box one mentioned, something no one will touch.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    With the exception of Hawaii, which is twice the size of Rhode Island, there has been no historical precedence for small states, or "city states" like DC to form and become states.

    As I've already mentioned, let the current citizens of DC, not the illegals, be part of original state they were carved out from, Maryland, and vote with them. That is a change I could support.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL

    Desperate for a couple more Dems in the Senate?

    I think the way revenue is confiscated by the various government entities throughout the country makes this "taxation without representation" meme a bit of a hard sell. I think there would be very little sympathy on that tactic from taxpayers around the nation.

    While I may oppose such a move to add D.C., there are perhaps better arguments than this taxation thing.
    I don't care who they elect, but apparently the idea of 2 more Democrats to the Senate terrifies you. BTW, the GOP could always run a candidate and actually try to win. Just spitballing here...

    I am interested in the idea that they are expected to pay Federal Income Tax, follow Federal laws, and have zero input on those laws. It's about the ideals of a representative government as laid out in the founding documents of the country. They should be represented the same as every other citizen of the United States is regardless of which party wins the election. But why let ideals get in the way of partisan crap? If they were likely to vote Republican would you be all over the idea of adding the state?


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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Washington DC was intended to be the seat of government for the whole country and not just the Republicans or Democrats or any other demographic. It was intended to not be a state so that no state would 'own' the Capital building, the White House, the Supreme Court Building, the Smithsonian, etc. etc. etc. If they want the people who live there to have representation, then pass a bill allowing them to register in a neighboring state and vote there. But DC itself should remain neutral and owned by us all.
    That kind of works, but I don't think the intention was for there to be much of a permanent population within DC anyway. Passing a bill having them vote in another state would have to be passed by that state, and I'm sure that Marylanders aren't exactly thrilled with the idea of non-Maryland residents hijacking their voice.

    As much as I hate the idea of bringing partisanship into it, the fact is that it would probably go Democratic. Do you think the Maryland GOP wants to add 500,000 or so Democratic voters to the roll?


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