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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They happen, and while there are reasonable actions the government takes to limit probabilities, it cannot make the probability zero. Not without doing some horrible things which are well worse than some non-zero probability of terrorist attack.
    As soon as the loyal opposition stops playing politics with American death due to terrorism, I'll consider what you say--not until.
    You saw the Nation come together after 9/11/2001--not so much now .
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As soon as the loyal opposition stops playing politics with American death due to terrorism, I'll consider what you say--not until.
    You saw the Nation come together after 9/11/2001--not so much now .
    They will continue playing politics with American deaths until WE stop rewarding them for doing so.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Recently the Senate heard arguments for Washington DC to become the 51st state. Only two members of the Senate heard the arguments. In your opinion do you think Washington DC should become the 51st state in the Union?


    Congress takes up bill to make D.C. the 51st state

    I don't care either way. If it becomes a state, what will be our new capital?

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    No dodge at all--as all can read and decide--fair, balanced and unafraid.
    I believe a companion 52nd state in Puerto Rico would be a fine Missouri Compromise.
    That will never be considered acceptable because there are too many black and brown people in Puerto Rico and they don't vote for Republicans enough.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    What needs to happen is that we need to redefine what is Washington D.C. We need to separate the part that is related to the gov't and return the rest to the states that originally donated the land. This way, there's no one "living" in D.C. and no more issue.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As long as people like Sen. Graham fear-monger about millions of Americans dying from ISIL WMDs at today's senate hearing,
    you better believe it.

    Obama is fighting multiple wars against the enemy abroad while Senators like Graham and McCain continue to war-monger
    at home for boots on the ground with no speak-back from other GOPs
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    You appear to believe I mark republicans with a different label in this regard than democrats. Both democrats and republicans support the patriot act including Obama that expanded it to include those body scan see everyone naked machines and both parties support spying on American citizens. There can be no such thing as a right to safety in a free society. Period.

    Warmongers are plague to humanity and a constant thorn in the side of anyone that desires peace, but that is hardly the only problem in this country.
    Last edited by Henrin; 09-16-14 at 04:02 PM.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    I understand your thinking---common to all who can't stand the Nation the Founder's set into place.

    By your rational---every city like Washington DC should have its own state and so on.

    I hear the same thing from Leftist talking heads on CNN and MSNBC---we need votes based on the population only (illegal or not, with no ID).

    No you don't understand my thinking because you completely misunderstand my argument, are drawing absurd conclusions from it, and you apparently misunderstand the Constitutional mechanism that the founders put in place for legislative representation.


    First things first. DC should not be state. Not because it's small, as you've stated, but because Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution says so. Further Article 1 Section 8 essentially gives Congress responsibility to govern DC. It has nothing to do with the
    size of the district. Nor do I think that every city "should have it's own state" whatever that means. How you reached that conclusion is beyond me.

    As far as size goes I'm simply rebutting your assertion that land area matters. It does not. House membership is apportioned based on population, not land area. The Senators are fixed - every state regardless of land area gets the same number of Senators. No where does land area come into play.

    The only thing I've noted is that the district's residents don't have effective Congressional representation, which violates at least the spirit of the Constitution if not the letter. Given that I would not oppose changing the Constitution, if need be, to allow district residents effective representation.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I think that is the best solution. Give Maryland an extra Congressman. Done deal.
    That sounds reasonable.

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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    As it turns out, the notion that somehow congress will be beholden to the state in which it resides is nonsense. Congress has never given DC special treatment. Instead it uses the city as a playground to experiment on, in ways that no other population of Americans would tolerate. And, of course, few members of congress actually reside in DC. They live in Maryland or Virginia. There is just no reason at all to strip six hundred thousand Americans of the fundamental right to representation that this nation holds sacrosanct. It is a betrayal of the values of this country.

    Not only are the people of DC denied representation in congress, they're also denied the real power to run their own city. Congress gets to override any law passed by the DC council. No one in this country would tolerate a complete lack of federalism, separation of powers, or checks and balances between state and federal governments of this kind. To have it exist in this country at all is un-American. The people of DC don't want to be a part of Maryland or Virginia. They have a culture all their own. It's not just about voting and congress. It's about self-governance.

    It's amazing how cavalier Americans can be about oppressing their own people. And not just a few people either. DC has a higher population than Vermont and Wyoming do. The physical size of the city doesn't matter, either. This is an entire state's worth of people who are literally second class citizens. Everyone who opposes American citizens enjoying the basic rights of this country should be ashamed of themselves. It's also pathetic how often it boils down to conservatives wanting to deny representation to people who'll vote for liberals. Also Flamethrower's open racism. That's pathetic and disgusting.
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    Re: Should DC Become the 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As soon as the loyal opposition stops playing politics with American death due to terrorism, I'll consider what you say--not until.
    You saw the Nation come together after 9/11/2001--not so much now .
    When 9/11 happened I was eighteen almost nineteen and I was never inclined to kicking ass and taking names like other people were at the time. It was at best a search and kill mission, but everyone was overly hot headed and unreasonable to the point of absurdity that they never actually stepped back and took a breath. As you would expect the neocon douche parade took advantage of them and we found ourselves in another neocon cluster****. That isn't mentioning how scared everyone was at the time and how they were all to willing to give away their liberty for safety.
    Last edited by Henrin; 09-16-14 at 04:12 PM.

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