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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi scandal could bring down Hillary's run for President?

    I think most people know she's a shameless liar anyway, and this only reinforces that belief. She may have a couple even bigger problems. One is her age and health. The other is that a lot of married women, in particular, don't like her. The idea of adulterous husbands tends to be very upsetting to them, and many of them just don't trust a wife who would put up with it year after year, woman after woman. I suspect that to many married women, tolerating that much infidelity that blandly seems so unnatural that it makes it hard for them to feel any sympathy with Mrs. Clinton.

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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi scandal could bring down Hillary's run for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Benghazi is as dead as an issue as Latin is to today's languages.
    Yet Roman Catholic clusters here in flyover country have now gone to one Latin mass per weekend.

    Btw, I'm sure you've seen by now the huge dump of new polls on RCP today.

    And the Gov/Sen patterns continue, with both Nunn and Carter up by the same +3.

    Also, did you see the new dynamite ad by Grimes, which at the end showed Mitch the real way to hold a gun ?
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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi scandal could bring down Hillary's run for President?

    Did Clinton Aides Withhold Benghazi Docs? - Sharyl Attkisson, Daily Signal

    As the House Select Committee on Benghazi prepares for its first hearing this week, a former State Department diplomat is coming forward with a startling allegation: Hillary Clinton confidants were part of an operation to “separate” damaging documents before they were turned over to the Accountability Review Board investigating security lapses surrounding the Sept. 11, 2012, terrorist attacks on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya.
    New Benghazi allegation puts spotlight on Hillary Clinton confidants, alleged after-hours document review.
    UPDATE: Hillary Clinton’s chief of staff allegedly present at after-hours document review.
    According to former Deputy Assistant Secretary Raymond Maxwell, the after-hours session took place over a weekend in a basement operations-type center at State Department headquarters in Washington, D.C. This is the first time Maxwell has publicly come forward with the story. . . .
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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi scandal could bring down Hillary's run for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    There have been no shortage of crap and character assassination thrown at Obama and Clinton over Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi,Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi.

    You are a VERY intelligent guy and I know you know that. Did I misunderstand what you are trying to say?
    the hub-bub over Benghazi has mostly been limited the partisans and the nerds (among whom I would count our happy selves). For the broader electorate, perhaps a single headline every six to twelve months has occupied their attention for about 15 seconds apiece. There is growth still for this, especially if Hillary tries to make "Competence" one of the central themes of her candidacy.

    I agree that the effect is going to be diminished from that of the Swift Boat Veterans - I am arguing that the effects would be of a similar type (to undermine the claim that a candidate wishes to make about themselves via a source of similar ability to speak credibly to that issue), not necessarily of a similar level of shock. But consider (for example) the families. Hillary lied to their face about the attack, and then asked what difference it made. I would guess that probably angered some of them. Imagine the simplicity and emotional hammer of an ad centered around a grieving couple of parents saying, well, it matters to them...

    Should a GOP candidate foster that? Hells no. Both sides should leave those families alone. But if they decide to come forward on their own, theirs could be a powerful voice that does indeed have greater impact than you seem to be assuming.

    There is also more to tell on this story. There are a few people who are.... bitter.... about the whole turn of events. Would someone in that community go off the rails? No idea. But the three guys interviewed by Fox are not the rest of the iceberg.
    Last edited by cpwill; 09-15-14 at 09:38 PM.

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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi scandal could bring down Hillary's run for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I agree and one has to ask one selve do we want a habitual liar as a president?
    Damn, right NP. What we need is a president who isn't a habitual liar. We need a president like Nixon, no wait...we need a president like Reagan, no wait...we need a president like Bush the Elder, no wait...we need a president like Clinton, no wait...we need a president like Bush the Younger, no wait...we need a president like Obama, no wait...

    Wait a feckin minute here! I see a pattern. Do you? All these lying ass people are representatives of the ruling two party system. America keeps doing the same thing and expecting different results. Maybe what we need is an president from outside the ruling two party system.










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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi scandal could bring down Hillary's run for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Yet Roman Catholic clusters here in flyover country have now gone to one Latin mass per weekend.

    Btw, I'm sure you've seen by now the huge dump of new polls on RCP today.

    And the Gov/Sen patterns continue, with both Nunn and Carter up by the same +3.

    Also, did you see the new dynamite ad by Grimes, which at the end showed Mitch the real way to hold a gun ?
    I seen them, then there is the new party affiliation numbers out from Gallup today too. There were a real shocker. CNN has Shaheen and Brown tied. Although I respect CNN, it will take another poll showing New Hampshire is close before I re-add it to my watch list. I have NC going to Hagan and RCP dump re-enforces that. Michigan, Mitchell has Land within 2 of Peters, but Mitchell is usually about 5 points ahead of all other polls in the Republican favor, I do not trust them. Landmark for WSB here in Georgia is another suspect polling firm but is just the opposite of Mitchell. Insider advantage was a poll taken over the same days as the WSB one, it has Perdue up by 10 vs. Nunn lead of 3. This is why I like RCP averaging. That is as long as the averaging of polls are fairly recent. If there is enough of them I will throw out those more than a month old. Two weeks is the time limit I prefer.

    But back to party affiliation. Heck I just updated my 5 indicators and it has the new party affiliation at the bottom as the 5th indicator. It shows the Democrats at an all time low of just 26%. But like other polls, I am now waiting for next month poll to see if this is an aberration or the real deal.

    What are the chances of another 2010 wave election happening in November? Here are the five criteria that must be in place. Also you compare today with 2012 and 2010.

    1. President Obama’s approval rating of below 45%: Today’s rating: 41.4%. This indicator says the Republicans should make some impressive gains.

    2012 approval rating 51%
    2010 approval rating 44%

    2. I had the ACA as my second indicator, but I have come to the conclusion that the ACA is less relevant to the upcoming senate elections than the president’s foreign policy ratings. Especially with all the problems in the Middle East and the Ukraine. Today’s presidential foreign policy rating is 36.0% approve 57.6% disapprove.
    2012 approval rating 50.2%
    2010 Not available


    3. Generic congressional poll, the Republicans must have a lead over the Democrats of 5 points or better: Today the Republicans have taken a three point lead over the Democrats 45-42. This is news as the Democrats had the lead in the Generic Congressional poll from May 13th until September 12th and sometimes their lead was as much as 5 points. It seems that after all this time the Congressional Generic poll is beginning to come into line with the first two indicators.

    2012 generic Democrats 48% Republicans 46%
    2010 generic Democrats 41% Republicans 51%

    4. Party Favorability/unfavorability, the Democrats must be seen in a worst light than the Republicans. But today with all voters the Republicans have a 34% favorable rating vs a 56% unfavorable. The Democrats have a 41% favorable/51% unfavorable which should say the Democrats are in for very production November.

    2012 favorability/unfavorability Democrat 47/44 Republican 40/47
    2010 favorability/unfavorability Democrat 39/49 Republican 44/44

    5. Party affiliation/identification Republicans must have a 5 point lead as they did in 2010 when counting those who identify with each party plus those independents which lean towards each party. The Republicans have exactly that 5 point lead today.

    Identify as Democrats 26%
    Independents lean Democrat 16% Total 42%
    Identify as Republicans 25%
    Independents lean Republican 22% Total 47%

    2012 party identification
    Identify as Democrats 33%
    Independents lean Democrat 15% Total 48%
    Identify as Republicans 28%
    Independents lean Republican 12% Total 40%


    2010 party identification
    Identify as Democrats 29%
    Independents lean Democrat 13% Total 42%
    Identify as Republicans 29%
    Independents lean Republican 20% Total 49%


    Conclusion: This looks like a good year for the Republicans, the president approval ratings are low in both his overall and on foreign policy. The generic congressional poll has swung over to the Republican side and the Republicans lead in total party affiliation. The only good news for the Democrats is in party favorability where they have a 5 point lead over the Republicans. With only one indicator in the Democrats favor, I have upped my odds on the GOP gaining the senate from 50-50 to 60-40. The odds would have been much higher except for what happened in Kansas where the independent candidate Orman seems likely to snatch what was once a safe Republican seat.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi scandal could bring down Hillary's run for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    what are your thoughts?
    One could only hope.

    What should bring her down is her lack of accomplishment in public service.
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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi scandal could bring down Hillary's run for President?

    For most Americans, Benghazi is not a scandal. It's right wing Tourettes.
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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi scandal could bring down Hillary's run for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The evidence identified in the OP article. Did you read the article?
    This is the OP:

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    what are your thoughts?
    Can you show me the article in there?
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    Re: Do you think the Benghazi scandal could bring down Hillary's run for President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    what are your thoughts?
    One could only hope.
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