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Basic Truths

Basic truths we all agree on (feel free to vote on more than one truth)

  • Criminals need to go to jail and serve their time.

    Votes: 16 51.6%

  • Once we are born, life has undeniably begun

    Votes: 24 77.4%

  • Nukes should be used as a last option, if an option at all.

    Votes: 23 74.2%

  • The national debt is rising, and should be falling

    Votes: 19 61.3%

  • Earth is important, and destroying it should be avoided.

    Votes: 26 83.9%

  • People who are capable of working (mentally, physically) should be working or trying to find work.

    Votes: 21 67.7%
  • Total voters
    31
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ColdSteel

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OK so ive been looking at a lot of threads lately that divide exactly on party lines and ideals. Aborting, religion, foreign policy's, climate change, gun control, etc.... So this is a thread attempting to find the middle ground that we all hold true, regardless of what party we side with. Consider it common sense truths.

The poll is set to accept more that one check mark so feel free to vote as many times as you want.
 
All of those are debatable.
 
Where's the option for "none of the above"? This is because that the only basic truth is: we will all agree to disagree. ;)
 
ColdSteel said:
OK so ive been looking at a lot of threads lately that divide exactly on party lines and ideals. Aborting, religion, foreign policy's, climate change, gun control, etc.... So this is a thread attempting to find the middle ground that we all hold true, regardless of what party we side with. Consider it common sense truths.

The poll is set to accept more that one check mark so feel free to vote as many times as you want.
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In my view, all of your options in the poll are, at least at this time, issues that are debatable on ideological and often partisan grounds. As such, none of them are "basic truths" - issues are issues, simply because they aren't givens.

A basic truth for me, as it relates to this site, is "everyone is entitled to respect regardless of their opinions".
 
ColdSteel said:
OK so ive been looking at a lot of threads lately that divide exactly on party lines and ideals.
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The whole "party lines" thing isn't as clear cut as it might first appear. There are some vocal politicos who take predetermined positions and make the party political but there are a lot more people who will consider each issue on its merits and reach more nuanced conclusions. Rather than playing to the politicos tune, I'd suggest just ignoring them and conversing with the normal people.

PoS said:
Where's the option for "none of the above"? This is because that the only basic truth is: we will all agree to disagree. ;)
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I don't agree to that! ;)
 
I didn't see any truths in that list.
 
"Once we are born, life has undeniably begun"

Someone actually didn't agree with this one? Some people are just argumentative.
 
I would say the Earth is important, at least to some degree.
 
Those are all truths.
 
ColdSteel said:
OK so ive been looking at a lot of threads lately that divide exactly on party lines and ideals. Aborting, religion, foreign policy's, climate change, gun control, etc.... So this is a thread attempting to find the middle ground that we all hold true, regardless of what party we side with. Consider it common sense truths.

The poll is set to accept more that one check mark so feel free to vote as many times as you want.
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I wouldn't label any of these as "basic truths", just my opinion.

Criminals need to go to jail and serve their time: Wait what? Why should locking someone in a cage be the reaction to every single crime? That's idiotic and fascistic. No, we shouldn't lock people in prison for jay-walking or other non-violent crimes. It should only be used when they are a real, violent danger to society. No.

Once we are born, life has undeniably begun: By at least this time, yes, it has begun. I however thing it starts a bit earlier.Yes.

Nukes should be used as a last option, if an option at all: By using a nuclear weapon our government would be intentionally targeting civilians to make as many innocent people die as possible. That is not warfare, it's genocide. Yes.

The national debt is rising, and should be falling: I don't subscribe to the idiotic Keynesian ideology that non-stop money printing and making it rain is a good idea. We need to get our finances in order and be more responsible. Yes.

Earth is important, and destroying it should be avoided: Agree. Something should be done, and the government is probably the only organization with the power to do it. Yes.

People who are capable of working (mentally, physically) should be working or trying to find work: If they don't need money why do they need to work? What about retirees, rich people, house wives, etc.? Why should they work if they have their finances in order? No.
 
I selected all of them as truths, in my opinion and using my definition of "true".
 
How do you see who voted, if it's a public poll?
 
AliHajiSheik said:
"Once we are born, life has undeniably begun"

Someone actually didn't agree with this one? Some people are just argumentative.
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I'm pro-choice but even I believe that life starts before that.

So I didnt vote yes on that.
 
Prison is expensive and doesn't turn criminals into good guys. Rehabilitation is a myth.

Baby's are human from moment of conception.

We should balance the budget. Pay down debt only in times of surplus.

The threat of pre-emptive first strike is a deterrent. Relegating nukes to retaliatory only, or last resort, is worse than having none.

We aren't destroying the planet. The IPCC is a political body with a political agenda. To gain control of worlds energy production, as part of a globalist strategy toward one world government. Don't believe their doomsday propaganda.

What did I leave out?

First create jobs for those who WANT to work. Later we can encourage the LAZY to look for a job.

Covered all points.
 
Lursa said:
I'm pro-choice but even I believe that life starts before that.

So I didnt vote yes on that.
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Which wasn't the question. "Once we are born" is the time frame. "Life has undeniably begun", which is not a statement of when you believe it begins, just a statement that is has begun by then. Unless you believe that life doesn't begin until sometime after birth.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Which wasn't the question. "Once we are born" is the time frame. "Life has undeniably begun", which is not a statement of when you believe it begins, just a statement that is has begun by then. Unless you believe that life doesn't begin until sometime after birth.
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The question is misleading and infers more than your literal explanation.

The inference is "doesn't begin until"
 
yobarnacle said:
The question is misleading and infers more than your literal explanation.

The inference is "doesn't begin until"
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Misleading? What part of "once we are born" is misleading? Is there something sinister in the word born? Is there something in dispute about the word?
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Misleading? What part of "once we are born" is misleading? Is there something sinister in the word born? Is there something in dispute about the word?
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No, but more than one person saw the inference. Your literal explanation was correct, taken literally.
In todays political controversies inference sometimes says MORE than the statement.
Just an unhappy fact of modern life. I didn't select ANY of these "truths", because they don't accurately express my beliefs.
 
yobarnacle said:
No, but more than one person saw the inference. Your literal explanation was correct, taken literally.
In todays political controversies inference sometimes says MORE than the statement.
Just an unhappy fact of modern life. I didn't select ANY of these "truths", because they don't accurately express my beliefs.
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Thank you for reinforcing my original point.
 
I doubt that any basic truths can be expressed in a single sentence. Each of those (except, I suppose, the one about born people being undeniably alive) are much more complex concepts than the simple ideas presented here.
 
Paschendale said:
I doubt that any basic truths can be expressed in a single sentence. Each of those (except, I suppose, the one about born people being undeniably alive) are much more complex concepts than the simple ideas presented here.
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Big ideas can sometimes be expressed concisely.
"I think, therefore I exist."
 
yobarnacle said:
So if I don't agree with you, it's just contrariness, not because of any rational reasons? :catapult:
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"The inference is 'doesn't begin until'"

If that is your position, than I don't see it as rational. It strikes more of fear, but fear of what is not clear to me. It was a simple sentence that you are somehow afraid of acknowledging as true. The others are subjective, but this one is so blatantly obvious you have to spend a lot of time transmogrifying it to interpret is as some kind of assertion that life count not begin sooner than birth.

But hey, it takes all kinds...
 
ColdSteel said:
OK so ive been looking at a lot of threads lately that divide exactly on party lines and ideals. Aborting, religion, foreign policy's, climate change, gun control, etc.... So this is a thread attempting to find the middle ground that we all hold true, regardless of what party we side with. Consider it common sense truths.

The poll is set to accept more that one check mark so feel free to vote as many times as you want.
Click to expand...



There are no "truths" there...opinions only.

and "once we are born, life has begun"? What are you trying to say? That a fetus is not "living"?

my friend, fruit continues to live long after it has been picked, and there is "life" in a chicken egg.
 
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