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  • Criminals need to go to jail and serve their time.

    20 55.56%
  • Once we are born, life has undeniably begun

    27 75.00%
  • Nukes should be used as a last option, if an option at all.

    25 69.44%
  • The national debt is rising, and should be falling

    22 61.11%
  • Earth is important, and destroying it should be avoided.

    29 80.56%
  • People who are capable of working (mentally, physically) should be working or trying to find work.

    26 72.22%
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Thread: Basic Truths

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    Re: Basic Truths

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Thank you for reinforcing my original point.
    So if I don't agree with you, it's just contrariness, not because of any rational reasons?
    If you live long enough, you will live in a foreign country, because the past is foreign to the present. We lived differently then. The only constant is change!

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    Re: Basic Truths

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I doubt that any basic truths can be expressed in a single sentence. Each of those (except, I suppose, the one about born people being undeniably alive) are much more complex concepts than the simple ideas presented here.
    Big ideas can sometimes be expressed concisely.
    "I think, therefore I exist."
    If you live long enough, you will live in a foreign country, because the past is foreign to the present. We lived differently then. The only constant is change!

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    Re: Basic Truths

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    So if I don't agree with you, it's just contrariness, not because of any rational reasons?
    "The inference is 'doesn't begin until'"

    If that is your position, than I don't see it as rational. It strikes more of fear, but fear of what is not clear to me. It was a simple sentence that you are somehow afraid of acknowledging as true. The others are subjective, but this one is so blatantly obvious you have to spend a lot of time transmogrifying it to interpret is as some kind of assertion that life count not begin sooner than birth.

    But hey, it takes all kinds...

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    Re: Basic Truths

    Quote Originally Posted by ColdSteel View Post
    OK so ive been looking at a lot of threads lately that divide exactly on party lines and ideals. Aborting, religion, foreign policy's, climate change, gun control, etc.... So this is a thread attempting to find the middle ground that we all hold true, regardless of what party we side with. Consider it common sense truths.

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    There are no "truths" there...opinions only.

    and "once we are born, life has begun"? What are you trying to say? That a fetus is not "living"?

    my friend, fruit continues to live long after it has been picked, and there is "life" in a chicken egg.
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    Re: Basic Truths

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    All of those are debatable.
    Then please debate them. I'm open to new views of thinking, and i would love to hear how things i consider common sense is wrong to another person.
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    Re: Basic Truths

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    There are no "truths" there...opinions only.

    and "once we are born, life has begun"? What are you trying to say? That a fetus is not "living"?

    my friend, fruit continues to live long after it has been picked, and there is "life" in a chicken egg.
    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    "The inference is 'doesn't begin until'"

    If that is your position, than I don't see it as rational. It strikes more of fear, but fear of what is not clear to me. It was a simple sentence that you are somehow afraid of acknowledging as true. The others are subjective, but this one is so blatantly obvious you have to spend a lot of time transmogrifying it to interpret is as some kind of assertion that life count not begin sooner than birth.

    But hey, it takes all kinds...
    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    So if I don't agree with you, it's just contrariness, not because of any rational reasons?
    Id like to clarify if i can. I simply mean that no matter your belief, when you are born, you are alive. If you are alive before that is certainly up to debate but once you are born you are a living, breathing human being. The reason i posted this is (as most of you guessed) as a base line for abortion, but more specifically an article i read about doctors suggesting post-birth abortions (they preferred that term to infanticide) based on the technicality that the children were both not fully developed and were basically identical to a fetus so they could still be considered not alive. This article was 2 years old when i found it so it is certainly not a new idea but it did shock me. This of course defies my logic of birth being the very basis of life however i wanted to see if people agreed with me. That might sound opinion-based of me, and i will accept that perhaps part of it is.
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    Re: Basic Truths

    On a less philosophical note, the national debt needs to come down from where it is now, but it definitely should not come down to zero.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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    Re: Basic Truths

    The last one is too vague for me to agree on.

    Capable of work can mean anything. A 15 year old is able to work, doesn't mean they should have to. Neither should stay-at-home wives or senior citizens. Working is based on "need" and that alone. If the individual doesn't need to, then they're free leave that position open for someone that is in the opposite situation.
    "We have more responsibility than power, I think. The newspaper can create great controversies, stir up arguments within the community or discussion, can throw light on injustices....just as it can do the opposite. It can hide things and be a great power for evil." -- Rupert Murdoch, 1968

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    Re: Basic Truths

    criminals - much is wrong with our justice system, including sentencing

    once we are born - criteria for what constitutes life is not precisely know. Some exit the womb without a heartbeat are effectively "born dead," and some of those are saved

    national debt falling - the cut backs and impact on our lives, access to education, retirement, medicare, the military, all would be quite severe if a serious attempt was made to bring it to 0

    people who are capable of working - if someone wants to opt out of the rat race, that is their choice and it's no business of mine to tell others how to live

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    Re: Basic Truths

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    The last one is too vague for me to agree on.

    Capable of work can mean anything. A 15 year old is able to work, doesn't mean they should have to. Neither should stay-at-home wives or senior citizens. Working is based on "need" and that alone. If the individual doesn't need to, then they're free leave that position open for someone that is in the opposite situation.
    Definitely not true. A number of billionaires still do quite a bit of work, even though they certainly don't have to.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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