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    Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    We know what the USSC says. But do you believe spending money is speech?


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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    We know what the USSC says. But do you believe spending money is speech?
    Speech is an expression of ideas. People can express ideas with their own vocal chords, or they can do so using their vocal chords through a loud speaker, or they can write their ideas, and they can pay to print the written expression of ideas in various places, or they can express the ideas in any of a wide variety and combination of ways.

    Some of the ways in which a person can express his/her ideas cost money to be able to express them the way they want. There is not a legitimate reason to infringe upon their ability to express ideas, nor any legitimate way to say they can't spend their own money expressing their ideas.

    If our people in general are so utterly brainless that they believe whatever propaganda they see on a TV commercial, then we're screwed in any case, and not because people are allowed to express ideas, but because people who hear those ideas are so stupid that they don't think critically about them.

    We need a populace that thinks critically and investigates the truthfulness of dubious claims they hear from people with an agenda. We don't need to protect the populace from ideas based on the assumption that they can't think critically about them. That would just mean that someone is appointed censor over the society, which is just as bad and for all the same reasons.
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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    We know what the USSC says. But do you believe spending money is speech?
    A post written on a computer or other internet connected device that you spent money on. NY Times spends hundreds of millions putting out its material.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    A post written on a computer or other internet connected device that you spent money on. NY Times spends hundreds of millions putting out its material.
    Spending money for a internet connection on or paying for a paper=speech?


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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Spending money is an economic transaction. The act of communicating a message is speaking. You have the right to communicate a message. Buying something is not communicating a message, and regardless of what method you choose to use to communicate it, you're still communicating it. Even if certain methods are unavailable to you (like they are to every last one of us), other methods are available. Spending money is a wholly different thing than speaking.

    In a nutshell, NO!
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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Spending money for a internet connection on or paying for a paper=speech?
    Absolutely.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    Absolutely.
    Quick question. If I have more $$$ to spend on ****, does that mean I have more "speech"? If I can only buy one car but then someone else can purchase 3 cars and 4 houses what does that mean?


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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Spending money is an economic transaction. The act of communicating a message is speaking. You have the right to communicate a message. Buying something is not communicating a message, and regardless of what method you choose to use to communicate it, you're still communicating it. Even if certain methods are unavailable to you (like they are to every last one of us), other methods are available. Spending money is a wholly different thing than speaking.

    In a nutshell, NO!
    Ok, so then the government can stop the NY Times from spending money on ink. Bottom line is thank god you guys aren't on the Supreme Court. If the government imposes regulation on the instrumentalities of the press, which by the way is broadly defined, with a censorial motive, it violates the law. I have every right to spend money to access the internet to publish what I want to publish, I have every right to buy cameras to engage in photography, ink for printers and paper too. Because the I Amendment is not a right to go into a corner and be heard by those within earshot.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Quick question. If I have more $$$ to spend on ****, does that mean I have more "speech"? If I can only buy one car but then someone else can purchase 3 cars and 4 houses what does that mean?
    NY Times clearly engages in 'more' speech than me in practically every conceivable measure of course.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    NY Times clearly engages in 'more' speech than me in practically every conceivable measure of course.
    So if you have more money= "more speech"?


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