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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Does time = speech? What if the government passed a law saying that we can only talk about politics for 3 minutes/day?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    Absolutely.
    Well then the right to free speach should mean I get free paper ....

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Speech is an expression of ideas. People can express ideas with their own vocal chords, or they can do so using their vocal chords through a loud speaker, or they can write their ideas, and they can pay to print the written expression of ideas in various places, or they can express the ideas in any of a wide variety and combination of ways.

    Some of the ways in which a person can express his/her ideas cost money to be able to express them the way they want. There is not a legitimate reason to infringe upon their ability to express ideas, nor any legitimate way to say they can't spend their own money expressing their ideas.

    If our people in general are so utterly brainless that they believe whatever propaganda they see on a TV commercial, then we're screwed in any case, and not because people are allowed to express ideas, but because people who hear those ideas are so stupid that they don't think critically about them.

    We need a populace that thinks critically and investigates the truthfulness of dubious claims they hear from people with an agenda. We don't need to protect the populace from ideas based on the assumption that they can't think critically about them. That would just mean that someone is appointed censor over the society, which is just as bad and for all the same reasons.
    No, no one is infringing on their ability to Express ideas, they are infringing on the ability to purchase politicians ....

    Money is a medium of Exchange, not speach, it can be USED to Exchange for something which can enhance speach, but it itself isn't speach.

    If purchasing something means speach, and no one should be able to tell me what I can and cannot purchase, for example, a politician, there are plenty of Things that follow, i.e. you can't stop prostitution, you can't stop human trafficing of children, and so on.

    No Money isn't speach, and anyone that thinks about it for 2 Seconds would realize that.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Does time = speech? What if the government passed a law saying that we can only talk about politics for 3 minutes/day?
    No because the government cannot infringe on freedom of speach.

    Nor can they dictate what you do With Your time.

    THey CAN however, regulate Commerce.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    It's not even a close call. Donating to political campaigns is just another form of political expression. And political speech is as fundamental a right as Americans have. That's reason enough for leftists to loathe it--most of them, being the very opposite of true liberals, disdain the First and Second Amendments.

    I'd bet not one in a thousand of the leftist dim bulbs who are forever shrieking about the evils of Citizens United has ever even turned a page of the decision. Maybe they're all too aware they couldn't understand it anyway. Mother Jones, Michael Moore films, and the throwaway "urban" paper on the rack by the bong shop door are much more their speed.
    Do you find anything wrong With corruption?

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    NY Times clearly engages in 'more' speech than me in practically every conceivable measure of course.
    NYT is a special constitutional entity...called the press.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    see, it is right there...


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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    No because the government cannot infringe on freedom of speach.

    Nor can they dictate what you do With Your time.

    THey CAN however, regulate Commerce.
    So the government can restrict how much newspaper/printer ink and how much printing paper you can buy?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So the government can restrict how much newspaper/printer ink and how much printing paper you can buy?
    Well ... Anti-Trust laws would apply in Extreme cases ...

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because preventing bribery is a pretty important thing to do. Especially bribery of elected officials. And this whole debate rests on pretending that some forms of bribery aren't real.
    And to prevent speech by regulating independent expenditures is an unconstitutional prior restraint.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Do you find anything wrong With corruption?
    If you want to prevent corruption, prevent corruption, but a private entity spending money on a movie lambasting Hillary Clinton (at the time a seated Senator and candidate for the Democratic nomination), or in the case of Fahrenheit 9/11 lambasting George Bush (obviously then the sitting incumbent President running for re-election) is actually the I Amendment's highest form, there's nothing presumptively corrupt about either activity unless the government itself can PROVE the quid pro quo.

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