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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no.

    it is absolutely the role and responsibility of government to regulate the campaign finance system and to shine a light on who is donating, the organizations that they are donating to, and exactly what is being done with that money. this should all be easily accessible public knowledge. otherwise, you get a shadowy system of purchasing preferential legislation, as we have now.
    This implies all avail themselves of this information. Hardly anyone does. Thats a lot of tax dollars spent to little effect.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by dogtowner View Post
    This implies all avail themselves of this information. Hardly anyone does. Thats a lot of tax dollars spent to little effect.
    i'm saying that every cent of it should be on the public record. we deserve to know who is buying what, because we're the ones who have to deal with the results of the purchase.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by dogtowner View Post
    This implies all avail themselves of this information. Hardly anyone does. Thats a lot of tax dollars spent to little effect.
    Pick up a rock and the creatures living under it scurry away....for awhile.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no.

    it is absolutely the role and responsibility of government to regulate the campaign finance system and to shine a light on who is donating, the organizations that they are donating to, and exactly what is being done with that money. this should all be easily accessible public knowledge. otherwise, you get a shadowy system of purchasing preferential legislation, as we have now.
    The disclosure requirements were upheld.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    The disclosure requirements were upheld.
    the "disclosure requirements" are woefully insufficient.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the "disclosure requirements" are woefully insufficient.
    That's up to Congress. The Supreme Court can't tell Congress to bolster disclosure requirements, it can only uphold those enacted.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    No because the government cannot infringe on freedom of speach.

    Nor can they dictate what you do With Your time.

    THey CAN however, regulate Commerce.
    There are many laws saying what we can't do with our time.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The current situation with some candidates and advocates able to buy large amounts of advertising and driving up the cost, and others unable to afford to do so is an example of people muzzling each other. I don't advocate any censorship, only for providing more free and low cost opportunities for candidates and advocates to get their message out to the voters effectively.
    I agree that, especially nowadays with the internet, there should be easy and cheap ways for outspent candidates to nonetheless widely communicate to their voters what they're about. No one should be getting their candidate information from advertisements anyway. Campaign ads are by and large pure unadulterated garbage. Not the least bit convincing or intelligent. And if we as a people are too stupid to turn off the ****ing TV and investigate candidates directly and intentionally, then how is Congress going to save us from that?

    Up here for example, I do not favor Mark Begich at all, his politics or his party, never have had any intention of voting for him, but it's clear there are some enormous, national-level pots of money fueling the incessant deluge of propaganda ads about him to take him down. Every single YouTube video you watch within Alaska's boundaries right now starts with a 15-20 second hit piece on Begich. Every single one. Not so much having anything to do with Begich, but just because his seat in Congress is valuable to some very powerful and rich people somewhere. Does that make me want to vote for Begich's main opponent? No. The obnoxious ads make me more skeptical of his opponent than if there were no such ads.

    The ads should be completely ineffective at swaying public opinion. They certainly are for me. It's so easy to just get online and find non-biased or at least significantly less-biased analyses of candidates' positions, voting records, etc.

    I don't think we can trust federal politicians to write laws that protect people from their own utter ignorance. It's up to them to not be ignorant. And if you're letting a TV ad convince you who gets your vote, you're ignorant, and your ignorance weakens the country -- no way around it. The answer to Citizens United and Congressional corruption is not to ask Congress to police how people are spending money to fund their own campaigns. The answer is for the American people to use the tools at the fingertips and do their own homework and stop being idiots. If we can't figure out how to stop being idiots, then we deserve all the corruption and bad leadership that's in store for us.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 09-16-14 at 02:02 AM.

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    There are many laws saying what we can't do with our time.
    Yes, if you make something a legal crime, you cna't use Your time to do that ....

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    Re: Do You Personally Believe Spending Money is Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Yes, if you make something a legal crime, you cna't use Your time to do that ....
    So the government can regulate what we do with our time, the same as they can regulate what we do with our money. Therefore they can limit the amount of time that we spend talking about politics, as easily as they can limit the amount of money we spend talking about politics.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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