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Is ISIL Islamic?

Is ISIL Islamic

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Josie said:
I don't know how you don't? Do you think that all Muslims are violent and dangerous?



Huh?



Yes, as I said there are fringe crazies in every religion. Islam just so happens to have the MOST crazies at this moment. Don't you think?
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Okay; I misunderstood you. I quite agree that the crazy jihadists group are the new centipede that's for sure.

I'm for a big can of raid myself.
 
annata said:
that's past the ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq & the Levant) ability, yes.

I look at those Twitter pics as nothing more then propaganda to entice jihadi .
In truth even the (full) Levant is much too ambitious -but the caliphate is possible to carve out from Iraq/Syria/and perhaps smidges of Jordan, or Lebanon.

ISIS isn't a misnomer then.
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they may have intentions of conquering israel.
 
Josie said:
Yes, they are...that's their label. Do I think they will be welcomed into Heaven with open arms from Christ? Heck no.

To say that ISIL isn't Islamic is just stupid. Of course they are. There are fanatical arms of every religion.
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Clearly. Would you consider the Pope a fanatical form of Catholicism?
 
Was the German Democratic Republic (East Gremany) democratic?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Was the German Democratic Republic (East Gremany) democratic?
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Check out the poll results. 93% can see members of Islamic State are Islamic. What's so funny is their members admit they are ardent followers of Islam, even though a vast minority here can't because Obama said they aren't Islamic. Ever heard of Caliphate? That's what they subscribe to. In other words, they want you dead because you don't practice their religion.

The Obama force is strong in the 7% deniers here.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1063754959 said:
Check out the poll results. 93% can see members of Islamic State are Islamic. What's so funny is their members admit they are ardent followers of Islam, even though a vast minority here can't because Obama said they aren't Islamic. Ever heard of Caliphate? That's what they subscribe to. In other words, they want you dead because you don't practice their religion.

The Obama force is strong in the 7% deniers here.
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Still misrepresenting Obama's intent. Do you think Obama mistook IS for Hindus or Hari Krishna's?
 
Of course IS are Islamic. The Qur'an is full of unspecific edicts that people can interpret according to their disposition. If you ask the IS to support their actions with Islamic scripture, they'll do it in a jiffy. It's all there, it's just that the saner Muslims read it sanely.
 
upsideguy said:
The KKK and Westboro are pervert versions of Christianity as is ISIL a perverted versions of Islam. Extremism usually is played out of bounds.
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This seems odd.

If the book they follow says "kill infidels" how could they be perverting it?

Maybe the peaceful ones just don't follow their book so closely.
 
Serenity said:
No, it's not. ISIL are extremists who promote/hide behind a radicalised version of Islam.
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Again if the book says to kill who they are killing, how can you call them extremists?
 
Mason66 said:
This seems odd.

If the book they follow says "kill infidels" how could they be perverting it?

Maybe the peaceful ones just don't follow their book so closely.
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So, I take it you have read the Quran know it well enough to know the context of this? If so, who am I to argue as I have not. I have only listened to Muslims tell (presumably people that study the Quran) tell us this is not what it says. If you know, than I stand in respect.

My guess is you are operating for hearsay, which is always dangerous. As a matter of illustration, the Bible tells us to stone (death by torture) idolators, adulterers and rebellious children. Are Christians that do stone to death their rebellious children perverting it?

If you don't know your Bible, you might draw that conclusion and or take it out of context to make your point about Christians being barbaric murderers.....
 
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Does anybody see a correlation between Germany in 1939 and Iraq now?

The Jews were being exterminated then and now the Christians are being exterminated.

Does anybody think this group will stop at Iraq's borders when they are done with the Christians there?

What should the US and it's allies do to stop the 2nd holocaust?
 
upsideguy said:
... and you have read this book and know it well? As a matter of illustration, the Bible tells us to stone (death by torture) idolators, adulterers and rebellious children. Are Christians that do stone to death their rebellious children perverting it?

If you don't know your Bible, you might draw that conclusion and or take it out of context to make your point about Christians being barbaric murderers..... Do you know your Quran well enough to know the context of what it is saying here? I don't.
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Did you not understand my point?

Are you saying the Koran does not say to "kill infidels"?

Why are you excusing what they are doing by pointing to a 2000 year old book that nobody takes literally anymore?
 
jet57 said:
Okay, then Christianity is a violent and dangerous religion.
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Maybe it was but it isn't now.

Why don't you try to stick to what is happening now instead of trying to deflect from this subject.
 
Mason66 said:
Maybe it was but it isn't now.

Why don't you try to stick to what is happening now instead of trying to deflect from this subject.
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I am sticking to the subject: the hate of the Muslim religion; the argument that Obama does't hate them enough. I insert Christianity only as a focal point about violence in religion, and that as such, one religion doesn;t have anything over the other. Even Buddahist have been know to riot.

My point is, this business of hating a religion has been done before and it is an extremely dangerous path to go down.
 
jet57 said:
I am sticking to the subject: the hate of the Muslim religion; the argument that Obama does't hate them enough. I insert Christianity only as a focal point about violence in religion, and that as such, one religion doesn;t have anything over the other. Even Buddahist have been know to riot.

My point is, this business of hating a religion has been done before and it is an extremely dangerous path to go down.
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You see this as hating religion?

How about hating the people using this religion to exterminate people.

Doesn't that sound more accurate?
 
Mason66 said:
You see this as hating religion?

How about hating the people using this religion to exterminate people.

Doesn't that sound more accurate?
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It certainly does sound more accurate, however that's not what's happening and I have a problem with that.
 
cpwill said:
Does "Islamic" really mean "what we in the West want Islam to be", or does "Islamic" mean... well.... Islamic.

Sparked by the below:
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Not really understanding why you're question is generating all of this hostility. Isn't the point of forums to debate and exchange information and to , well be informed? I hope your question was answered with clarity. And just to emphasize, yes they are Islamic, just a different sect of the religion who destroy any hope of believing anything other than what they believe. Hence the crucifixions.
 
vesper said:
Prior to the Islamofascist form of Islam that has spread across the Middle East, you didn't see females in many of these Muslim countries covered with head dresses, burkas and Sharia Law was not enforced. Not as far back as the 60's that I could find. The extremists who were often clerics began to poison the minds of their followers and were the crux that encouraged the teaching of hatred and intolerance of other religious faiths. Now we have had multiple decades of children raised to hate their neighbors and women often having less rights than the family goat. Quite frankly, I personally am sick of the BS. These people have hijacked a faith, using a few Scriptures in their holy book to justify their heinous behavior. But that is what all extremists do. But in the Jewish faith and the Christian faith, you always find those willing to stand up against extremism to keep it in check. In the Muslim faith not so much. If they want to claim to be decendants of Abraham, I suggest they study the character of Abraham before they continue. Nuff Said.
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That's not entirely accurate, look closer at Wahhabism and the history of the KSA, it goes back a lot longer than the 60s.
 
Mason66 said:
Did you not understand my point?

Are you saying the Koran does not say to "kill infidels"?

Why are you excusing what they are doing by pointing to a 2000 year old book that nobody takes literally anymore?
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Did you not understand my point? Apparently not? I pointed out passages in the Bible that exist, yet could be taken out of context and made to make Christian look barbaric, unless you understood the Bible. (No one takes the Bible seriously anymore?... ... I won't "crucify" you over that absurd statement... I will let that go as its not my point.... It is also almost 3,500 years old, parts of it, anyway)

Apparently you do not understand the Quran, but nonetheless chose to take something out of context (because you have no understanding) Sorry, but by your own apparent admission here, you don't know what you are talking about, but chose to talk anyway. That is quintessential ignorance.

Go find out exactly what the Quran says and, more importantly, the context in which it says it and then talk. Until then, sit humbly.

The root of most wars is hate; the root of most hate is ignorance. Don't be ignorant.
 
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upsideguy said:
The KKK and Westboro are pervert versions of Christianity as is ISIL a perverted versions of Islam. Extremism usually is played out of bounds.
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Except..
ISIL IS emulating Mohammed and his immediate Successors. (and the first 500 yrs of Islam)
KKK, etc is NOT emulating Jesus.
 
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