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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes it is about your standings. You started this "stuff" so your "standings" are embedded in your posts. What I am trying to convey here is stop painting everyone with a broad brush for your political gain. That is disgusting and getting so old that most of us have lost all tolerance for it.
    That they are all religious and follow those teaching some more barbaric and violent than others? I also never painted anyone with a broad brush...

    But here, never answered my question: So ISIS is "Islamic" in your book but Westboro, and the KKK arent?

    Being religious does not make one better than the other..


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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    1. Your reference says that "Islam means peace" - IIRC, Islam means "submission".
    Actually he is citing Bush saying that, pointing out that the deliberate misrepresentation of our enemies is a bipartisan enterprise.

    2. ISIL is every bit as Islamic as the Crusaders were mainstream "Christian".

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    When you think "Christianity", people tend to think a certain thing based on what mainstream Christianity is.
    When you think "Islam", people *should* tend to think a certain thing based on what mainstream Islam is.

    The problem is, the acts of a few are distorting that mainstream belief.

    The radical fringe which makes up well under 1% of the world's population of Islam should not redefine what we think of Islam. Just like we wouldn't allow the KKK and Westboro to redefine what people think Christianity is.

    Islam is an easy target for this distortion, though; it's largely a distant religion and our most prominent exposure to it is self-described Muslims killing, killing, and killing some more.

    To counter that, our leaders try to get the point across that the acts of that tiny minority do not represent the whole. Bush and Obama both tried to send this message, to various degrees of success.

    Was it clumsy for Obama to say "they aren't Islamic"? Maybe. But I also see a lot of people around here deliberately missing the point just to complain.

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    That they are all religious and follow those teaching some more barbaric and violent than others? I also never painted anyone with a broad brush...

    But here, never answered my question: So ISIS is "Islamic" in your book but Westboro, and the KKK arent?

    Being religious does not make one better than the other..
    In my book none represent the religion they claim to. Go it? They are called extremists for a reason. Got it? And when we let extremism paralyze us, to the point of denying us our freedoms, liberties it has to be rectified. Got it? The Westboro Baptist people in our country have been put into their place. They can manipulate their rights under our laws but have been stifled by We the People. Same with the KKK. That is just one minute example that makes this country so exceptional. Muslim countries dealing with such extremism don't have such a form of government in place. They have allowed this extremism to take hold. Israel is the only example in the Middle East that by example thwarts extremism and allows religious liberty. That is why in most part they are so hated in the region.

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    In my book none represent the religion they claim to. Go it? They are called extremists for a reason. Got it? And when we let extremism paralyze us, to the point of denying us our freedoms, liberties it has to be rectified. Got it? The Westboro Baptist people in our country have been put into their place. They can manipulate their rights under our laws but have been stifled by We the People. Same with the KKK. That is just one minute example that makes this country so exceptional. Muslim countries dealing with such extremism don't have such a form of government in place. They have allowed this extremism to take hold. Israel is the only example in the Middle East that by example thwarts extremism and allows religious liberty. That is why in most part they are so hated in the region.
    What makes them not a religion? Simply because they "deny freedoms, and liberty"? Religion from the dawn of time has done this, be it gay marriage, womens rights, justification for slavery.


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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Is Westboro Christian?
    Yes, crappy ones that don't care about emulating Jesus' example.
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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What makes them not a religion? Simply because they "deny freedoms, and liberty"? Religion from the dawn of time has done this, be it gay marriage, womens rights, justification for slavery.
    Religion for the most part is man made. Faith in God and living a life pleasing to Him is not just a religion but a way of life. Big difference. You don't go around killing your neighbor over differnces in ideology which today many Muslims do. All three major religions go back to their beginnings to Father Abraham. Jew, Christian and Muslim. Abraham was from a city in Mesopotamia called Ur. This city has been excavated by scientists/archeologists that prove this area at that time was well civilized and quite the metropolitan area of its day. Yet as the account goes, Abraham is called to leave this area and go to a place that is the armpit of the world. The crap that was going on in Caanan at that time in a moral perspective would shock most. It turns out that this area would be the bridge that connects the East with the West. Abraham didn't hesitate to take his father with him on this journey even though he was a worshiper of the Moon god at that time which was common practice in the Mesopotamia area and also at that time some engaged in human sacrifice. After all blood is thicker than water. So even within Abraham's immediate family there were factions in regard to faith. One might say nothing has changed.

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Religion for the most part is man made. Faith in God and living a life pleasing to Him is not just a religion but a way of life. Big difference. You don't go around killing your neighbor over differnces in ideology which today many Muslims do. All three major religions go back to their beginnings to Father Abraham. Jew, Christian and Muslim. Abraham was from a city in Mesopotamia called Ur. This city has been excavated by scientists/archeologists that prove this area at that time was well civilized and quite the metropolitan area of its day. Yet as the account goes, Abraham is called to leave this area and go to a place that is the armpit of the world. The crap that was going on in Caanan at that time in a moral perspective would shock most. It turns out that this area would be the bridge that connects the East with the West. Abraham didn't hesitate to take his father with him on this journey even though he was a worshiper of the Moon god at that time which was common practice in the Mesopotamia area and also at that time some engaged in human sacrifice. After all blood is thicker than water. So even within Abraham's immediate family there were factions in regard to faith. One might say nothing has changed.
    So ISIS isnt a Islamic cuz they kill people in the name of God? But anyone can find justification for killing people in all 3 major Abrhamic faiths


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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So ISIS isnt a Islamic cuz they kill people in the name of God? But anyone can find justification for killing people in all 3 major Abrhamic faiths
    That is a BS statement. But it doesn't surprise me you would be the one to post it. You love taking things out of context making them what you want them to be. After all in your political, religious state, ..,,,,,,,,,you are bankrupt and have no choice to but incenerate to continue. Cheers!

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That is a BS statement. But it doesn't surprise me you would be the one to post it. You love taking things out of context making them what you want them to be. After all in your political, religious state, ..,,,,,,,,,you are bankrupt and have no choice to but incenerate to continue. Cheers!
    His positions are nothing but context drops and false equivalence. It's like a mad race to the bottom.

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