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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    it is still an idea worthy of an eyeroll and we should not give credence to ISIS"s delusions of granduer when we start addressing them as a caliphate.
    they aren't. they're ambition is to become one. It's not delusional thought, anymore then any religion - it's also in the realm of possible

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    they aren't. they're ambition is to become one. It's not delusional thought, anymore then any religion - it's also in the realm of possible
    i do not give legitimate credence to the ambition's of armed thugs. their ambition is delusional because they make claims like the one that they can conquer the city of rome, when they do not have the legitimacy of a representative government.
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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i think you are talking about the puritans. they are a highly distilled brand of fundementalist christianity.
    Yes and I am using them as an example of the same type of fantacisim that we see in ISIS. Both refer(ed) to themselves as religious, as does the KKK see itself as a Christian organization, but when the shoe is put on the other foot, the entire religion (Islam) is seen as violent and dangerous.

    The impetus of the OP is to challenge president Obama's opinion of what is Islamic and what is not. What he did with that statment was throw down the gauntlet on religious hate... That was a very important challenge to make, and I am taking to it's logical conclusion. Therefore, if the Salem witch hunters did not represent true Christianity, then it only stands to reason that ISIS and wahhabists do not represent true Islam.
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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Yes, they were. They weren't any other religion.
    Okay, then Christianity is a violent and dangerous religion.
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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i do not give legitimate credence to the ambition's of armed thugs. their ambition is delusional because they make claims like the one that they can conquer the city of rome, when they do not have the legitimacy of a representative government.
    that's past the ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq & the Levant) ability, yes.

    I look at those Twitter pics as nothing more then propaganda to entice jihadi .
    In truth even the (full) Levant is much too ambitious -but the caliphate is possible to carve out from Iraq/Syria/and perhaps smidges of Jordan, or Lebanon.

    ISIS isn't a misnomer then.
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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You are making the argument that he should not have been a Pope, not that he was not a Pope. To the Catholics (which I am not), who get to decide who is Pope and who is not, he is considered to be the Rock upon which the church was built; the first Pope. Pope has no meaning, except to Catholics... they created the function. It is an office created by a religion. The office, by definition, is the lineage of Peter, hence he is the first.

    I can make an argument that the Rosenbergs should not have been executed for spying. I can not make an argument (well, if I do, it would be a ridiculous one) that they were not executed for spying. Similarly, you really can't make the argument that he wasn't a Pope....and, really what difference does it make? Why would you care if the Catholics consider him a Pope or not?

    Of course Peter was a Jew, which was my original point: Peter, the who is widely acknowledged as the first Pope, was a Jew. What is a Christian anyway, but someone that believes that Christ is the Messiah and thus is either a completed Jew or was grafted onto God's promise for his chosen people.
    The Catholic Church hadn't come into existence yet. Peter was a Jew, period, no matter what the Catholics claim. And no Jew would ever be a pope, and the Catholic Church would never draw a pope from the Jewish faith. Like I said, they claim Peter was a pope, because , Christ appointed him as the foundation, corner stone (Petra, rock) of the newly founded church, which was entirely of Jewish composition, until such time as it was revealed to Peter, through the metaphor of a sheet full of unclean animals, that the Gentiles should no longer be considered unclean. At which time, the apostle Paul was elected the apostle to the Gentiles, and he was sent out, including to Rome, which was when that city first heard the gospel. Sorry, but peter was no Catholic pope.
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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Does the pope **** in the woods?

    When a bear is charging yes....
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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ,...the first one was Jewish...
    Actually they were all Jewish until Constantine...so was Jesus, he never converted to anything.
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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Okay, then Christianity is a violent and dangerous religion.
    Some fringe Christian groups have been in the past and a few in the present, yes. I see what you're doing, but it doesn't work on me. I don't think Islam is a violent religion - it's an extreme percentage of Muslims who are violent and dangerous. Good effort, though.

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Go right ahead. You will find I'm not very active in the religion section.


    Really?

    I am shock ed, shocked I tell you!
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