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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I was hoping (against hope) for something profound. Should have known it would be empty. I would think, perhaps not, that you would do a better job articulating your grievances about a particular issue you have, then someone that doesn't know you. I also hoped you could enlighten me on your version of why terrorists hate us, but of course unless they tell you, you can't.
    Do you not know what a terrorist is? I think they're motivations are rather clear. You can substitute whatever you want and pretend they're just normal people trying to get along, but that's ludicrous. It's clear from whom you get your marching orders. That's your choice, but don't expect others to respect it.

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    This leftist urge to pretend ISIS isn't Islamic reminds me of their similar attempt to pretend socialists aren't really socialists. Just as the ideology behind ISIS is obviously Islam, the ideology behind Hitler and Stalin and Mao et al was socialism. The same leftist silliness that believes no one mean is socialist seems to apply here as well.
    IS practices a radical form of Islam that is indeed found in the Quran, but practiced by a very small minority of Muslims, in that SENSE, only, is IS not Islam. If there were a group of Christians (believers in Jesus, the messiah) practicing the very violent statutes, judgements and laws of the Old Testament, with the waring against pagans, not unlike radical Islamists war against the infidels, and the stoning to death of those caught in violation of such statutes, judgements and laws, the larger Christian community would flock to the declaration that this group, was in fact, not Christian. And they would be both wrong and right.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you not know what a terrorist is? I think they're motivations are rather clear. You can substitute whatever you want and pretend they're just normal people trying to get along, but that's ludicrous. It's clear from whom you get your marching orders. That's your choice, but don't expect others to respect it.
    Well first, I don't march. And second, if the terrorists motives are clear, articulate them for me. And third, quote me saying that terrorists are "just trying to get along". And fourth. There's very little respect at DP, or any political forum for opposing views, lol, did you think your position was respected here??
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well first, I don't march. And second, if the terrorists motives are clear, articulate them for me.
    I wouldn't lower myself. Good luck figuring out what motivates terrorists. Perhaps when you have, you'll stop taking marching orders from terrorists.

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I wouldn't lower myself. Good luck figuring out what motivates terrorists. Perhaps when you have, you'll stop taking marching orders from terrorists.
    Aha, I knew you were incapable. Been wasting my time with you, good day Eco.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Aha, I knew you were incapable.
    That's moronic. And a good day to you.

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    1. Your reference says that "Islam means peace" - IIRC, Islam means "submission".

    2. ISIL is every bit as Islamic as the Crusaders were mainstream "Christian".
    I would agree. It would seem that saying IS is not Islamic would be both right and wrong. Right in that they look nothing like the whole of Islam around the world, and wrong because what they adhere to, though not practiced by the very overwhelming majority of adherents to the Quran, can nevertheless be found in the Quran.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Is this a trick question?
    No. The president is just a nincompoop.

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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol, only if you're Catholic. Peter was a Jew, he practiced Jewish law, kept the Biblical Holy Days, not Catholic holidays, he worshipped on the seventh day, Sabbath, not on the first day Sunday, kept the Biblical dietary laws, and so much more. The Catholic Church, something that didn't arise till long after Peter was dead and gone, would love to make such a claim, so as to place themselves at the starting line, and find legitimacy.
    You are making the argument that he should not have been a Pope, not that he was not a Pope. To the Catholics (which I am not), who get to decide who is Pope and who is not, he is considered to be the Rock upon which the church was built; the first Pope. Pope has no meaning, except to Catholics... they created the function. It is an office created by a religion. The office, by definition, is the lineage of Peter, hence he is the first.

    I can make an argument that the Rosenbergs should not have been executed for spying. I can not make an argument (well, if I do, it would be a ridiculous one) that they were not executed for spying. Similarly, you really can't make the argument that he wasn't a Pope....and, really what difference does it make? Why would you care if the Catholics consider him a Pope or not?

    Of course Peter was a Jew, which was my original point: Peter, the who is widely acknowledged as the first Pope, was a Jew. What is a Christian anyway, but someone that believes that Christ is the Messiah and thus is either a completed Jew or was grafted onto God's promise for his chosen people.
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    Re: Is ISIL Islamic?

    Salafi is an extreme interpretation - but an interpretation nonetheless . I'm not exactly sure what the difference is between Wahhabism ,
    but here is a very good article if you care to explore.

    It’s being argued that the homicidal operatives of the newly established Islamic State, IS, are an extension of the 18th century’s Saudi/Wahhabi religious and ethnic cleansing movement. Both claim that they are following in the 6th century “Dark Age” footsteps of Prophet Mohammed, “purifying” people by converting them to Salafi (original) Islam and eliminating those who refuse.
    Given this history, how do those (Muslims and some non-Muslims) who continue to insist that Islam is a non-violent religion explain IS’s actions-the rampant enslavement and rape of mostly non-Muslim women and burying their husbands and sons alive-to those who argue that Islam has been a repressive and violent religion from its inception?
    Islamic State: Deviants or Extension of Wahhabism? | Sharnoff's Global Views

    I like the way they all call each other "terrorists" in Syria ; everybody else is takfiri

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