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Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

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    Votes: 11 21.6%
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    Votes: 18 35.3%
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Mr. Obama pledged 475 more boots tonite.
in an instant tracking poll, these were his lowest numbers all night with Ds, Is and Rs.
Yet FOX continues to post lying polls showing over 70% of Americans support these boots.
How does one ever hope to fight a war without using any "boots on the ground"?
What our soldiers will do is guard our interests, guard our own people, guide our bombing,
train and coordinate their soldiers, and guard Iraqi and Syrian civilians in safe areas who ISIL has massacred .
 
And GWB handed off a victory in Iraq that BHO threw away.

Bush handed Iraq on a silver platter to a terrorist and Iranian sympathizer and then signed an agreement with him to leave in 2011. Is that what you call victory? Is that what 60,000 Americans were killed or maimed for?
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And a certain person in the GOP tried to sell arms to them, along with al Qaeda, to fight ASSad.
Smooth move there huh?
ISIL's origin is in Syria.
I'm surprised folks aren't focusing on and discussing Mr. Obama's pledge to arm and train Kurds and Iraqis .
 
Shades of 1964 ....

Either do it and get the hell out ... or don't do it at all.
 
Yep, the ME was such a peaceful and kind place before that. ;)
Compared with Today it really was. What suiside bombings did you see in Iraq before our invasion?
 
With our money? Was that not exactly what Obama did when we left no troops in Iraq (but lots of US aid money) and are about to repeat in Afghanistan?

It's going to be our money regardless, Bush broke it, we own it.. If they cannot do the job with our airpower in support the whole operation is pointless. They will come through and Iraq will be better for it. This was bound to happen whenever we left. I do hand it to Bush for not drawing it out even more. Even a broken clock.....
 
Again we see the Obama doctrine of do as little as possible, as late as possible and involve as many "nations'" as possible. The idea that we can "provide air support" and send advisors/trainers to whip local morons off the street into "reliable combat forces" has failed everywhere it has been tried. The "Vietnamization" of the ME will be no different. Is this not the same Obama that assured of us a victory (and lasting peace?) in Iraq and has already declared a "victory" date (just months away) in Afghanistan?

The Middle East is the Arab League's problem and it's time we stop pimping out our military to them. If they want bodies to throw at their enemies then they can choose them from among their own citizenry instead of ours.
 
Mr. Obama continues to walk softly and carry a big stick, which ISIL is about to get thumped by.

:lamo

That big stick is the U.S. military. You have to have more than three carriers capable of putting to sea at one time to have a big stick.

Remember when G.W. Bush was CnC ? I do, he had two CBG's (Carrier Battle Groups) in the 6th Fleet AOR conducting combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan while another CBG in the 5th Fleet AOR just ****ing around keeping the lid on the pot in the Middle East and North Africa and you had China who thought they figured out how to sink two American carriers and decided to rattle the saber and conducted naval maneuvers in the Tiawan Straits.

Bush was able to put four CBG in the area in less than two weeks while three other CBG's were in their AOR's conducting other missions not related to China. That's seven carriers at sea on station. The Chinese put their saber in the scabbard and never rattled it again as long as Bush was in the White House.

That's called having a big stick or speaking the talk and having the walk.

Obama has problems just keeping two Carrier Strike Groups at sea.
 
Mr. Obama pledged 475 more boots tonite.
in an instant tracking poll, these were his lowest numbers all night with Ds, Is and Rs.
Yet FOX continues to post lying polls showing over 70% of Americans support these boots.

What our soldiers will do is guard our interests, guard our own people, guide our bombing,
train and coordinate their soldiers, and guard Iraqi and Syrian civilians in safe areas who ISIL has massacred .

There are at least 1,200 US "non-combat" boots on the ground already in Iraq that supported the approx. 150 US air strikes so far. As to the bolded - that was exactly what Obama said he would not do without a SOF agreement - which we still do not have in Iraq and cannot ever get in Syria.
 
Is ISIL a direct threat to the US?
(The speech basically said 'no')

Why are we declaring war if it isn't?

We are now on Iran's side, sorta. I'm just wondering when the official announcement will be when we find we are at war with Europa and at peace with Oceana, or vice versa.
 
Shades of 1964 ....

Either do it and get the hell out ... or don't do it at all.

Or as President Eisnehower warned JFK back in 62 and 63 don't get involved with the corrupt Diem regiem in the RVN. But if your stupid enough to go your own way and find yourself in a shooting war in Vietnam, fight it as total war.

The rest is history.
 
Then yer not happy the GOP finally got another war in Iraq?
A war that GOP/FOX has ginned up with the American people by shamelessly using the two beheadings.

Maybe we should go back to the dozens of our Iraqi soldiers who were electrocuted in faulty Haliburton showers.
There are at least 1,200 US "non-combat" boots on the ground already in Iraq that supported the approx. 150 US air strikes so far. As to the bolded - that was exactly what Obama said he would not do without a SOF agreement - which we still do not have in Iraq and cannot ever get in Syria.
He also said he would close GITMO and GOP senators filibustered the Defense bill until he relented.

Bush screwed the pooch on the SOFA agreement no matter how many times a certain poster :peace lies about it and you know it .
 
So in other words, you will always rewrite history to slam DEM Presidents and uplift GOP ones.
As you did when Reagan/Bush cut and ran after Beirut .
Or as President Eisnehower warned JFK back in 62 and 63 don't get involved with the corrupt Diem regiem in the RVN. But if your stupid enough to go your own way and find yourself in a shooting war in Vietnam, fight it as total war.

The rest is history.
 
I think we witnessed obama add another chapter to his glorious legacy. We experienced an obama who although is not a war hawk by any means express himself in a way that defines leadership. ISIS beware of the macho obama
 
There's some chatter that his flag pin was off center. He may be sending a message to sleeper cells.
 
:lamo

That big stick is the U.S. military. You have to have more than three carriers capable of putting to sea at one time to have a big stick.

Remember when G.W. Bush was CnC ? I do, he had two CBG's (Carrier Battle Groups) in the 6th Fleet AOR conducting combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan while another CBG in the 5th Fleet AOR just ****ing around keeping the lid on the pot in the Middle East and North Africa and you had China who thought they figured out how to sink two American carriers and decided to rattle the saber and conducted naval maneuvers in the Tiawan Straits.

Bush was able to put four CBG in the area in less than two weeks while three other CBG's were in their AOR's conducting other missions not related to China. That's seven carriers at sea on station. The Chinese put their saber in the scabbard and never rattled it again as long as Bush was in the White House.

That's called having a big stick or speaking the talk and having the walk.

Obama has problems just keeping two Carrier Strike Groups at sea.

Given the ongoing cuts to the military, he'll soon be calling on the Girl Scouts.
 
All I saw was an Empty Chair. Clint Eastwood rules.
 
So in other words, you will always rewrite history to slam DEM Presidents and uplift GOP ones.
As you did when Reagan/Bush cut and ran after Beirut .


>" The seven aircraft carriers involved in Summer Pulse 04 will include: the Norfolk-based USS George Washington (CVN 73) CSG and the San Diego-based USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) CSG, both currently deployed, and Yokosuka, Japan-based USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63). The Mayport, Fla.-based USS John F Kennedy (CV 67) CSG will begin a combined and joint exercise early this month, followed by a scheduled overseas deployment. The Norfolk-based USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) CSG will conduct a scheduled training exercise followed by overseas pulse operations with the Norfolk-based USS Enterprise (CVN 65) CSG, beginning early this month. USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) will conduct operations in the U.S. Northern Command and U.S. Southern Command theaters during the ship's interfleet transfer from Norfolk, Va., to its Pacific Fleet homeport of San Diego.

The near-simultaneous deployment of seven carrier strike groups provides the Navy and the joint combatant commanders an opportunity to exercise the FRP while maintaining the ability to respond to crises around the globe, enhance regional security and relationships, meet combatant commander requirements including forward presence, and demonstrate a commitment to allies and coalition partners. Summer Pulse 04 is scheduled to conclude in August...."<
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=13621

Carriers Surge During Summer Pulse '04

>" The FRP is designed to allow the Navy to provide up to seven carrier strike groups (CSG) to support any contingency worldwide in 30 days. Per the plan, two more CSGs can be ready within three months to reinforce or rotate out the forces that initially deployed. This allows for a continuous presence and the ability to swiftly respond to different crisis situations."<
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=13951

Operation Summer Pulse 04



America v China over Taiwan - Operation Summer Pulse 04 - Generational Dynamics

You think Obama could pull that off ? :lamo
 
There are at least 1,200 US "non-combat" boots on the ground already in Iraq that supported the approx. 150 US air strikes so far. As to the bolded - that was exactly what Obama said he would not do without a SOF agreement - which we still do not have in Iraq and cannot ever get in Syria.

You forget that Maliki is gone and there is a new govt. in Iraq, one that is not run by a sectarian terrorist Iranian sympathizer. Things are already getting better than when Bush left. Without an inclusive Govt. Iraq is doomed to eternal war.
 
Your boy Bush gave us 4,500 "empty chairs" around the dinner tables of America,
since you mention empty chairs and the empty-headed Eastwood, who Romney was thoroughly embarrassed by.
All I saw was an Empty Chair. Clint Eastwood rules.
Try a visit to any VA Hospital to see some of the tens of thousands of "full beds" occupied by our maimed Wounded Warroirs .
 
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