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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    And a certain person in the GOP tried to sell arms to them, along with al Qaeda, to fight ASSad.
    Smooth move there huh?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    ISIL's origin is in Syria.
    I'm surprised folks aren't focusing on and discussing Mr. Obama's pledge to arm and train Kurds and Iraqis .
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Shades of 1964 ....

    Either do it and get the hell out ... or don't do it at all.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep, the ME was such a peaceful and kind place before that.
    Compared with Today it really was. What suiside bombings did you see in Iraq before our invasion?


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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    First it was al Qaeda, now it's their whacko offshoot.
    Al Qaeda attacked the U.S. on 9/11/2001 on American soil. Al Qaeda did not pose merely a theoretical threat.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    With our money? Was that not exactly what Obama did when we left no troops in Iraq (but lots of US aid money) and are about to repeat in Afghanistan?
    It's going to be our money regardless, Bush broke it, we own it.. If they cannot do the job with our airpower in support the whole operation is pointless. They will come through and Iraq will be better for it. This was bound to happen whenever we left. I do hand it to Bush for not drawing it out even more. Even a broken clock.....

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Again we see the Obama doctrine of do as little as possible, as late as possible and involve as many "nations'" as possible. The idea that we can "provide air support" and send advisors/trainers to whip local morons off the street into "reliable combat forces" has failed everywhere it has been tried. The "Vietnamization" of the ME will be no different. Is this not the same Obama that assured of us a victory (and lasting peace?) in Iraq and has already declared a "victory" date (just months away) in Afghanistan?
    The Middle East is the Arab League's problem and it's time we stop pimping out our military to them. If they want bodies to throw at their enemies then they can choose them from among their own citizenry instead of ours.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Mr. Obama continues to walk softly and carry a big stick, which ISIL is about to get thumped by.


    That big stick is the U.S. military. You have to have more than three carriers capable of putting to sea at one time to have a big stick.

    Remember when G.W. Bush was CnC ? I do, he had two CBG's (Carrier Battle Groups) in the 6th Fleet AOR conducting combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan while another CBG in the 5th Fleet AOR just ****ing around keeping the lid on the pot in the Middle East and North Africa and you had China who thought they figured out how to sink two American carriers and decided to rattle the saber and conducted naval maneuvers in the Tiawan Straits.

    Bush was able to put four CBG in the area in less than two weeks while three other CBG's were in their AOR's conducting other missions not related to China. That's seven carriers at sea on station. The Chinese put their saber in the scabbard and never rattled it again as long as Bush was in the White House.

    That's called having a big stick or speaking the talk and having the walk.

    Obama has problems just keeping two Carrier Strike Groups at sea.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Mr. Obama pledged 475 more boots tonite.
    in an instant tracking poll, these were his lowest numbers all night with Ds, Is and Rs.
    Yet FOX continues to post lying polls showing over 70% of Americans support these boots.

    What our soldiers will do is guard our interests, guard our own people, guide our bombing,
    train and coordinate their soldiers, and guard Iraqi and Syrian civilians in safe areas who ISIL has massacred .
    There are at least 1,200 US "non-combat" boots on the ground already in Iraq that supported the approx. 150 US air strikes so far. As to the bolded - that was exactly what Obama said he would not do without a SOF agreement - which we still do not have in Iraq and cannot ever get in Syria.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Is ISIL a direct threat to the US?
    (The speech basically said 'no')

    Why are we declaring war if it isn't?

    We are now on Iran's side, sorta. I'm just wondering when the official announcement will be when we find we are at war with Europa and at peace with Oceana, or vice versa.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    Shades of 1964 ....

    Either do it and get the hell out ... or don't do it at all.
    Or as President Eisnehower warned JFK back in 62 and 63 don't get involved with the corrupt Diem regiem in the RVN. But if your stupid enough to go your own way and find yourself in a shooting war in Vietnam, fight it as total war.

    The rest is history.

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