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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Since yer another with the history rewrite, how many more thousands of soldiers would have been KIA, MIA and maimed for life with a residual force of 15,000 that you and GOPs still wish would have been left behind--against overwhekming American public opinion?

    And how do you think the civil war would be going in Syria tonight, which your President pledged to fight in tonite?
    How many tens of thousands of ISILs would be "bringing it on" right now?

    Would Israel have been forced into the fighting, blowing up the ME ?
    How does one ever hope to fight a war without using any "boots on the ground"?
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Had 15,000 US troops been left in Iraq, and had the US acted in Syria in 2012, there would be no ISIL and Asad would long since have been overthrown in Syria. US casualties would have been minimal to non-existent.
    You sound just like all the Neocons before the Iraq war. They even said Iraq would pay for itself. Obama does not want the lives of 1000's of Americans wasted on his conscious, Bush had no conscious.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Had 15,000 US troops been left in Iraq, and had the US acted in Syria in 2012, there would be no ISIL and Asad would long since have been overthrown in Syria. US casualties would have been minimal to non-existent.
    As they were for 4,500 dead and tens of thousands maimed and many more than 22 committing suicide each day.
    So war in Syria would have given us minimal to non-existent casualties?
    And 15,000 continued boots on the ground would have given us minimal to non-existant casualties?

    You've obviously never heard of terrorist guerilla warfare !
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And GWB handed off a victory in Iraq that BHO threw away.
    There was no victory, as long as Maliki was in charge. He didn't want to share power with the other Musllim Sects.


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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    How does one ever hope to fight a war without using any "boots on the ground"?
    Who said there were no boots....Iraqi's wear boots, so do UAE troops. We need them to do it themselves otherwise we have "Iraq" again.
    And yes the Iraq war is like the Vietnam war....we don't want another "Iraq".

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Had 15,000 US troops been left in Iraq, and had the US acted in Syria in 2012, there would be no ISIL and Asad would long since have been overthrown in Syria. US casualties would have been minimal to non-existent.
    And where is your link to proof of this matter-of-fact statement?

    Not opinions from some Neocon ignoramuses.

    Factual proof from unbiased sources?

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Bush handed off nothing of the sort.
    What he did hand off was a SOFA agreement placing our soldiers under sharia law.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And GWB handed off a victory in Iraq that BHO threw away.
    Aren't you glad your current President didn't go for this ?
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Again we see the Obama doctrine of do as little as possible, as late as possible and involve as many "nations'" as possible. The idea that we can "provide air support" and send advisors/trainers to whip local morons off the street into "reliable combat forces" has failed everywhere it has been tried. The "Vietnamization" of the ME will be no different. Is this not the same Obama that assured of us a victory (and lasting peace?) in Iraq and has already declared a "victory" date (just months away) in Afghanistan?

    Trying to get congressional support for a plan to spend US treasure on "well vetted" freedom fighters (and whoever else has to be bribed) in the ME is insane. The US is a superpower and should start to act like one. If the most powerful military on the planet cannot acheive victory against an enemy in Afghanistan in under a decade that has no navy, no air force and a rag tag, at best, army then we have a seriously flawed battle plan.

    After a single meeting with Iraq's new leader and without any status of forces agreement we are now ready for Iraq war part III (for at least three years) and jumping into the Syrian civil war. Why not let ISIL (ISIS?) be reciognized as a state (their dream) and then wipe them out? Would that not be a more permanent solution (and deterent for future wanna be Jihad leaders) than arming "freedom fighters" that likely will be as totally inneffective as the Iraqi and Afghan "armies" on which we have spent billions training and arming only to suddenly realize that they were "not quite ready for prime time"?
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As they were for 4,500 dead and tens of thousands maimed and many more than 22 committing suicide each day.
    So war in Syria would have given us minimal to non-existent casualties?
    And 15,000 continued boots on the ground would have given us minimal to non-existant casualties?

    You've obviously never heard of terrorist guerilla warfare !
    There would have been no US personnel in Syria, and with the US in place in Iraq ISIL would never have gotten started. No guerrillas, no guerrilla warfare.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    There was no victory, as long as Maliki was in charge. He didn't want to share power with the other Musllim Sects.
    BHO and Biden called it a victory.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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