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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    This war / major counterterrorism campaign smacks of something very familiar with Obama.
    Remember how Obama was going to get to the bottom of Bengahzi? ... and the IRS targeting of the Tea Party? ... and Fast & Furious? etc.
    He showed no interest, they were allowed to drag on, and the plan was to let attention lapse, and it worked.
    The difference? Not much from their point of view.
    Yes, the war is vital and you'd expect attention to be stronger for longer but it's still something they can stonewall, lie about, and repeat that it'll take time.
    Being dragged into having to call it a war is a clue.
    Libya is a full blown civil war, not just Bengazi, militias have taken over the Tripoli airport (etc).

    Obama also mentioned "North Africa" -if he isn't careful with the this notion of "regime change" (Assad) he's going to create, or continue another Iraq/Libya.

    I get it we can't partner with the Shi'a Assad (Alawite), but this notion of Syrian "moderates" isn't going to fly either.

    Just go after ISIL, let the ground players do their things -stop trying to nation build.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    There is a certain level of determination to see the US as the root of all problems that can't be solved. Soviet foreign policy was inherently aggressive, imperial, and abusive. Her leaders saw themselves in conflict with us well before and to a greater degree than our leaders saw us in conflict with them.
    So we "fed" off each other then. What's the difference? We both acted like paranoid fools. How much money was wasted in the cold war?

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    What is it about the relative nature of "before" and "greater degree" is it that eludes you? It wasn't the US that tried to blockade off Berlin, or had an agent infiltrate the foreign service of the other allies in order to win them control over half of Europe. The US didn't get South Korea to invade North Korea, that went the other-way-round. The US gave control of Western Europe back to it's own people - not the case in the East.

    I knew you were of the way-gone isolationist bent, but if you are honestly going to try to claim that anything other than conflict with the Soviet Union was possible for the United States after WWII then you are either historically illiterate, or straight up idiotically delusional.

    We didn't have to match or beat them warhead for warhead though. The arms race was foolish and wasteful.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's not that I think so highly of myself, but rather that I think so little of the kind of obsession with blaming American for the actions of others that you demonstrate.
    Well, I have only blamed America for the policies advanced that have been beneficial to the very people that we are suppose to be diminishing.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    It's to the point that I can't help but assume he's on someone's payroll. Too much dedication and consistency.
    Right. Because it's not possible that there could be someone who isn't a patronising supporter of failed American policy. Who pays people for being truthful about such things. I mean I know people are paid to advance propaganda.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And even after all that, the ME burns, and the militant Islamic groups are stronger then ever.
    Simply ... because we didn't finish the job. The air missions of the 36 days of the Gulf Ware was never intended to fix the problem, but rather, to put us in position to influence the corrective action.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    WEAK. It goes from bad to worse. Have to guts to resign.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So we "fed" off each other then.
    Ah.... no. Soviet Foreign Policy was to overthrow all non-Soviet governments in an attempt to create a worldwide Communist super-state.

    What's the difference? We both acted like paranoid fools.
    reminds me of the old paradigm - the Soviets push a lady in front of a bus, the US runs in and pushes her out of the way, and the left accuses both sides of pushing around little old ladies.

    The Soviet Union was an abusive actual Empire based on the eradication of individual and even popular rights and the aggressive expansion of power. To the extent that the US has an empire at all it is one built around trying to bring other nation-states into trade networks with us.

    You want to know what the difference is? Ask the Czechs, the Hungarians. Ask yourself how much you remember about the US invasion of France following that country's decision not to be a part of NATO.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, I have only blamed America for the policies advanced that have been beneficial to the very people that we are suppose to be diminishing.
    Dude you just blamed the US for the Cold War. If something in the world is going badly you search back only to the point of US involvement and then declare that to somehow be the cause.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    We didn't have to match or beat them warhead for warhead though. The arms race was foolish and wasteful.
    ....Ever read the Long Telegraph?

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