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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Which should have remained an ally, as pointed out by so many historians, and more recently by Michael Scheuer. The Cold War, was needless, well maybe the defense contractors (MIC) wouldn't have thought so.


    There is a certain level of determination to see the US as the root of all problems that can't be solved. Soviet foreign policy was inherently aggressive, imperial, and abusive. Her leaders saw themselves in conflict with us well before and to a greater degree than our leaders saw us in conflict with them.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    There is a certain level of determination to see the US as the root of all problems that can't be solved. Soviet foreign policy was inherently aggressive, imperial, and abusive. Her leaders saw themselves in conflict with us well before and to a greater degree than our leaders saw us in conflict with them.
    Not unlike the US.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not unlike the US.
    What is it about the relative nature of "before" and "greater degree" is it that eludes you? It wasn't the US that tried to blockade off Berlin, or had an agent infiltrate the foreign service of the other allies in order to win them control over half of Europe. The US didn't get South Korea to invade North Korea, that went the other-way-round. The US gave control of Western Europe back to it's own people - not the case in the East.

    I knew you were of the way-gone isolationist bent, but if you are honestly going to try to claim that anything other than conflict with the Soviet Union was possible for the United States after WWII then you are either historically illiterate, or straight up idiotically delusional.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    What is it about the relative nature of "before" and "greater degree" is it that eludes you? It wasn't the US that tried to blockade off Berlin, or had an agent infiltrate the foreign service of the other allies in order to win them control over half of Europe. The US didn't get South Korea to invade North Korea, that went the other-way-round. The US gave control of Western Europe back to it's own people - not the case in the East.

    I knew you were of the way-gone isolationist bent, but if you are honestly going to try to claim that anything other than conflict with the Soviet Union was possible for the United States after WWII then you are either historically illiterate, or straight up idiotically delusional.
    CP, you think too highly of yourself. Though I'll disagree with your opinion, and resent your misrepresentation of isolationist, I will stop short of referring to you as idiotic or delusional.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    This war / major counterterrorism campaign smacks of something very familiar with Obama.
    Remember how Obama was going to get to the bottom of Bengahzi? ... and the IRS targeting of the Tea Party? ... and Fast & Furious? etc.
    He showed no interest, they were allowed to drag on, and the plan was to let attention lapse, and it worked.
    The difference? Not much from their point of view.
    Yes, the war is vital and you'd expect attention to be stronger for longer but it's still something they can stonewall, lie about, and repeat that it'll take time.
    Being dragged into having to call it a war is a clue.
    It is not a war until Congress declares it a war.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It is not a war until Congress declares it a war.
    Agreed. So the "War on Terror" was no war?!?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Agreed. So the "War on Terror" was no war?!?
    No, nor is the war on drugs a war, nor the war on poverty. The war in Vietnam was not a war, either, and wasn't called that at the time. By the time we allowed the president to start a non war war in Iraq, it was no longer necessary to sidestep the Constitution by not calling it a war. That document had been sufficiently shredded by that time that a spade could be called a spade, and an undeclared war a war.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, nor is the war on drugs a war, nor the war on poverty. The war in Vietnam was not a war, either, and wasn't called that at the time. By the time we allowed the president to start a non war war in Iraq, it was no longer necessary to sidestep the Constitution by not calling it a war. That document had been sufficiently shredded by that time that a spade could be called a spade, and an undeclared war a war.
    I agree wholeheartedly.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    CP, you think too highly of yourself. Though I'll disagree with your opinion, and resent your misrepresentation of isolationist, I will stop short of referring to you as idiotic or delusional.
    It's not that I think so highly of myself, but rather that I think so little of the kind of obsession with blaming American for the actions of others that you demonstrate.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's not that I think so highly of myself, but rather that I think so little of the kind of obsession with blaming American for the actions of others that you demonstrate.
    It's to the point that I can't help but assume he's on someone's payroll. Too much dedication and consistency.

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