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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Why do we want to have a 'hard' protracted war with lots of US casualties against a threat thats so benign that not even Turkey , whose borders are next to this rebel group, wants to use military action?

    You go to war with determination and spirit when there is a clear reason to win. There is no demonstrated serious threat to the US here, unless you are talking about incremental increases in oil prices...
    Turkey has 49 diplomats kidnapped by ISIL. I think they are trying to get them back with heads attached, so are they are trying to be a bit careful in their approach. Of course, you may prefer headless Turkish diplomats?

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, our will is weak. We don't like for things to be hard - we want to show up to "war", get a trophy, and then go home. But, if it's not like a movie, where the tough stuff can be accomplished in a 2-minute montage? Well, we think that's unfair.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Turkey has 49 diplomats kidnapped by ISIL. I think they are trying to get them back with heads attached, so are they are trying to be a bit careful in their approach. Of course, you may prefer headless Turkish diplomats?
    So this horrible, awful evil organization that will take over the entire Middle East and threaten the US is not enough of a threat for Turkey because they will lose a few dozen people (maybe?). What does that tell you about the real threat ISIL poses, when the people who have millions of people just outside the fighting are dissuaded by a few dozen deaths?
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    So this horrible, awful evil organization that will take over the entire Middle East and threaten the US is not enough of a threat for Turkey because they will lose a few dozen people (maybe?). What does that tell you about the real threat ISIL poses, when the people who have millions of people just outside the fighting are dissuaded by a few dozen deaths?
    I guess it tells me Turkey is concerned about their diplomats, and you aren't. I'm looking at the others who have voiced their support as a basis for this fact. Who are you trying to ignore?

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    So this horrible, awful evil organization that will take over the entire Middle East and threaten the US is not enough of a threat for Turkey because they will lose a few dozen people (maybe?). What does that tell you about the real threat ISIL poses, when the people who have millions of people just outside the fighting are dissuaded by a few dozen deaths?
    Maybe because ISIL/S is keeping the Kurds busy.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    It looks like Obama's so-called broad coalition may be falling apart since Turkey, Germany, and Britain don't want to participate in the air strikes. And Russia is really unhappy about Syria getting bombed. By the way, Syria has actual air defenses, so those will have to be taken out first.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    It looks like Obama's so-called broad coalition may be falling apart since Turkey, Germany, and Britain don't want to participate in the air strikes. And Russia is really unhappy about Syria getting bombed. By the way, Syria has actual air defenses, so those will have to be taken out first.
    Heya Porchev. Kerry explained out how the Airstrikes would work.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...-war-isis.html

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Porchev. Kerry explained out how the Airstrikes would work. ...
    This war / major counterterrorism campaign smacks of something very familiar with Obama.
    Remember how Obama was going to get to the bottom of Bengahzi? ... and the IRS targeting of the Tea Party? ... and Fast & Furious? etc.
    He showed no interest, they were allowed to drag on, and the plan was to let attention lapse, and it worked.
    The difference? Not much from their point of view.
    Yes, the war is vital and you'd expect attention to be stronger for longer but it's still something they can stonewall, lie about, and repeat that it'll take time.
    Being dragged into having to call it a war is a clue.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Some people do not like the truth and do not want to hear the truth. I usually don't post much on the middle east as it isn't the area I am really familiar with. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at Libya and come to the conclusion it was a much more stable country and not a safe haven for terrorist prior to the removal of Qaddafi. Now you have a cluster you know what in Libya. Syria I am sure would end up being the same type of cluster after Assad.
    As is Iraq. This is where Russia and China have been right.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It happens.

    Here, check out one of our allies in WWII:



    Letting the Perfect become the enemy of the Less Bad is emotionally easy, perhaps, but ultimately irresponsible.
    Which should have remained an ally, as pointed out by so many historians, and more recently by Michael Scheuer. The Cold War, was needless, well maybe the defense contractors (MIC) wouldn't have thought so.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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