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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by WhyteRash View Post
    LOL!
    as though there was a victory to be had..
    Indeed there was. Even BHO and Biden said so.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Allow the current dictator/king/leader to do as they please, except for harming us directly, and support their existing enemies if they get too far out of line. Most of the ME nations are not allowing freedom (e.g. Saudi Arabia and Egypt) yet we let them be (or actually support them) so long as we are not directly threatened by them.
    Exactly: "Support their existing enemies"
    Like the rebels that were fighting Ghadafi.
    Like the Iraqis and Turks that are fighting ISIS.

    But I do disagree on the "harming us directly" bit. I'd never support a full scale invasion in the name of "pre-emptive defense", but I don't have any problem with us helping the enemies of our enemies if it's estimated to be in the interest of future security.

    Libya might not be a beacon of stability but the government that's (mostly) in control now, I'd say is more friendly to us than the former.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    False post.
    As you post to me only two words, "false post", do tell the debate politics board what is false about accusing John McBlame of negotiating with al Qaeda and ISIL; while rand Paul says we should leave ASSad alone, thereby feeding the Russian bear .
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As you post to me only two words, "false post", do tell the debate politics board what is false about accusing John McBlame of negotiating with al Qaeda and ISIL; while rand Paul says we should leave ASSad alone, thereby feeding the Russian bear .
    The claim about McCain is false.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It's what BHO and Biden called a victory.
    For us the "victory" was getting the hell out of there. It still is a victory in that sense. Just like our "victory" in Vietnam was. We have a real problem of getting stuck in quagmires.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    For us the "victory" was getting the hell out of there. It still is a victory in that sense. Just like our "victory" in Vietnam was. We have a real problem of getting stuck in quagmires.
    We'll just have to disagree. Iraq was a real victory, sadly thrown away by BHO.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Bumping up your thread TDS. Even Mexico jumped in.


    How the world responded to Obama's Islamic State speech.....

    In the Middle East, initial reaction was largely pessimistic, according to translations of local media reports provided by the BBC. A commentary in Lebanon’s Al-Akhbar English, published the day of Obama’s speech, writes that “the US war on ISIS is unlikely to succeed for many reasons.” Among them:

    In a commentary before the speech, Mexican daily newspaper, La Jornada, slammed what it calls "inconsistencies" in US policy toward the Middle East:

    "These facts are a clear ​examples of the inconsistencies characterizing U​S​ politics, and Western politics in general, in the conflicts unfolding in the Middle East, Central Asia​,​ and the Islamic world: ​​extremely pragmatic, fluctuating​,​ and unscrupulous ​policies, in which the villains of today are the allies of tomorrow and vice versa.'.....snip~

    How the world responded to Obama's Islamic State speech

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What are your thoughts on the Presidents speech about ISIS?
    He sounded very mechanical and dispassionate, almost as if he didn't want to say the things that he had to say. I was impressed that Obama (in his own wording) reiterated the Bush doctrine of not allowing borders to contain our pursuit of terrorists. I was disappointed that Obama wants to use tactics similar to those in Yemen. The speech, on balance, sounded sufficiently tough; I guess We'll see what the follow through looks like.`
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Your boy Bush gave us 4,500 "empty chairs" around the dinner tables of America,
    since you mention empty chairs and the empty-headed Eastwood, who Romney was thoroughly embarrassed by.

    Try a visit to any VA Hospital to see some of the tens of thousands of "full beds" occupied by our maimed Wounded Warroirs .
    Is that the same VA that YOUR BOY Obama said he was going to take care of and just like every other LIE he has told did nothing at all to help Vets? Is that the VA you are talking about?

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Exactly, but if done right it can be accomplished without any substantial American troops on the ground. The Northern Alliance was already constituted and along with a few paramilitary and SF on the ground and our air power they were able to turn the tide of battle completely around and drive the Taliban out of Afghanistan. But as you point out there is no such thing as the Northern Alliance in Iraq and it will be almost like starting from scratch. Time will tell.

    I am in agreement that we will use the pin prick method. I wonder what happened that we are not long willing to fight a war to win. I suppose today most people do not realize the quicker a war is over the less casualties will be had. We may save a few civilians here and a mosque there to save lives but this actually prolongs the effects of and the war or campaign itself. Going in whole hog so to speak may cause a ton of casualties in the beginning but in the long run fewer will be had.
    I think to an extent people were spoiled by Desert Storm. Wars for Americans are now supposed to be rapid demonstrations of how awesome we are, followed by parades.

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