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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya TDS .....didn't you have a thread up on ISIL going undercover due to the AirStrikes?
    "Undercover"? Explain

    Plus some of the other things they would do to limit them?
    I have stated in several threads what I think would limit them.


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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    ISIS = ISIL = AQ. Before they became ISIL they were AQ members. That was it!!!!!
    Totally true. And before that, they were the ISLAMIC STATE in IRAQ, ISI, the second s was added when they found refuge and opportunity in the vacuum being created by Saudi, Qatar, US and Western interference in Syria.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Yes--that's what GOP House member BARTON from Texas said today--we're safer now than after 9/11 on Bush's watch.

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    Barton must be a heavy drinker or pot smoker and is suffering short term memory lost because he doesn't remember the terrorist attack at Fort Hood, the fruit of the loom bomber and the Boston marathon bombers. Not to mention the over 300,000 illegal aliens from Central America that have come across our borders in the past few months, the same border that Obama said was secured.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "Undercover"? Explain


    I have stated in several threads what I think would limit them.

    Like they were hiding out in the Cities and towns.....not dressing the same way. Going undercover, and hiding their tech and equipment.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Hey, I'm not too happy with the Saudis either, so **** them
    I was wondering how Kerry thinks it can still be quid quo pro, myself?

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Like they were hiding out in the Cities and towns.....not dressing the same way. Going undercover, and hiding their tech and equipment.
    Dont recall making that thread. Would expect thats exactly what they are doing tho.


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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Glad you have such faith in Obama's success record in the complete absence of one
    Now you're just using petty partisan spin.

    Whether the repercussions have panned out as desired, you can't really argue that our mission in Libya, and our attacks in other nations have been largely successful and cost-effective. And with Libya we achieved the same thing we achieved in Iraq (the toppling of a regime) for less than 1/1000th the cost in money, and no American deaths.

    This is the right way to leverage our military forces against less technological advanced nations. It's an embarrassment that we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan as we did. That was mid-20th century war mentality and it put our soldiers in unnecessary danger and cost us far, far more than the objectives warranted. And for all that money and all those American lives lost, we didn't even finish al Qaeda and Bin Laden in Afghanistan; intel and surgical strikes finished him off.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Many congress critters (and Obama) see the arming of foreign mercenaries as a great deal; they can funnel gobs of tax (other people's) money into the "defense" industry in their district/state, appear very patriotic (protecting the folks and all) and not have to deal with as many US service casualties. The previously "unknown opposition forces" have thus been instantly declared "fully vetted" - time to let our tax dollars flow and sit back and collect the, all important, campaign cash - USA, USA, USA...
    Heya Ttwtt Well you see he wants money to fund the MB backed rebels.....I don't think we should have to up the money. Even the rebels own commanders were saying its a little to late. Aleppo is falling and that's their last bastion of hope.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    False, the Obama WH has submitted a budget every year.

    FDsys - Browse BUDGET


    You missed, since you could not show your $415B...but more importantly, you missed that this budget needs to be in compliance with the 2013 BBA...which everyone knows...is Ryan and Murray's baby....AND....well...you left a few things out....


    The U.S. Department of Defense is requesting $495.6 billion in authority for the base budget in FY 2015 in line with the Budget Control Act, or BCA, caps as revised by the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2013. The department, however, envisions future base budgets that exceed the BCA caps from FY 2016 to FY 2019. Overall, the Pentagon is asking for $115 billion more than the BCA caps over the next five years in current dollars.
    The request also includes an additional $26 billion in FY 2015 for the defense portion of President Barack Obama’s Opportunity, Growth and Security Initiative, or OGSI; the initiative is intended to fund readiness, investment, and installation spending not included in the base budget. If appropriated, however, this $26 billion would breach the BCA caps, triggering a sequester unless Congress revisits the caps.
    The Pentagon’s FY 2015 request also includes a placeholder request of $79 billion in Overseas Contingency Operations, or OCO, funding. The department has said that it cannot provide a more accurate estimate of war-funding requirements until a bilateral security agreement is signed with Afghanistan, but experts believe it will total between $50 billion and $79 billion. OCO funding is effectively exempt from the BCA caps. In addition to future base budgets that exceed the BCA caps, DOD’s FY 2015 request includes placeholder OCO requests of $30 billion annually—in current dollars—for FY 2016 to FY 2019.
    Congress also requested that DOD submit an unfunded priorities list that outlines programs it would like to fund that did not make the budget. These requests total about $36 billion. Again, any appropriations to this $36 billion list would be subject to the BCA caps and would trigger sequestration unless they were offset or the caps were revised, meaning that the unfunded priorities list is essentially a wish list for Congress to consider. The services’ unfunded priorities lists overlap with the defense portion of the OGSI list but request additional funding for aircraft and the Air National Guard.
    DOD’s total budget request is therefore $601 billion: $496 billion for the base budget, $26 billion for the defense portion of the OGSI, and $79 billion for OCO. Including the portions of the congressionally requested unfunded priorities list that are distinct from the OGSI items would further increase the total request.

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    See? This is the danger of too little knowledge in the hands of political zealots with a mission.

    Maybe you should read - Obama misses his 4th budget deadline - Washington Times - it will tell you that Obama has failed to submit a budget proposal for four straight years, and that the budgeting process has gone on without his input. The documents you see are useless - and, in most cases, are created retroactive to the budgeting process.

    Then, you should go check and see how many budgets were actually passed, and how many years we operated on CRs (Continuing Resolutions).

    Now, try to take notes .... apparently, you didn't even read what you wrote.

    1) "Placeholder requests" are not funded ... they are merely a list of potential (and, usually, undefined) budget items. Typically, these are operational items that can't be definitively calculated, and identify potential funding requests outside the budgeting process. This has been the favorite tool for funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    2) "Unfunded priorities" are exactly that - typically, they are budget item requests by DoD that fall below the cutoff prescribed by the WH or Congress. DoD requests these items be funded, but they are cuts implemented despite their request.

    3) Once you remove all the unfunded items, you arrive at $496 billion, as I said ... that IS the operating budget for DoD ... DoD requested funding for $601 billion, and the WH and Congress cut it to $495 billion.

    4) Had you bothered to actually read what you copied and pasted, you would have realized it agreed with exactly what I said. You know what a coincidence is? That's when you subtract $79 billion in OCO (which is also unfunded, but listed as a budget line item) from the $495 billion DoD budget, and end up with $415 billion. Funny how that works, huh?

    5) By the way, if you try to make the DoD budget balance out at the macro level, you will never get there. There are items included in the baseline budget that are NOT detailed ... I presume you can figure out what kind of stuff that might be.

    Have a nice day.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    Now you're just using petty partisan spin.

    Whether the repercussions have panned out as desired, you can't really argue that our mission in Libya, and our attacks in other nations have been largely successful and cost-effective. And with Libya we achieved the same thing we achieved in Iraq (the toppling of a regime) for less than 1/1000th the cost in money, and no American deaths.

    This is the right way to leverage our military forces against less technological advanced nations. It's an embarrassment that we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan as we did. That was mid-20th century war mentality and it put our soldiers in unnecessary danger and cost us far, far more than the objectives warranted. And for all that money and all those American lives lost, we didn't even finish al Qaeda and Bin Laden in Afghanistan; intel and surgical strikes finished him off.


    Libya was a success?

    What ever happened to those terrorists who assassinated the only sitting ambassador to die in office in 30 years?

    I guess al-Qaeda just left of their own accord then?
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