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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I love how you assume things and then think that makes them facts. Obama certainly knew that the allies would not participate in Syria. He doesn't care. Just like with Bin Laden.


    Assume? What are you trying to make me laugh or something. What the hell you copied and pasted it yourself. Reading is fundamental.


    German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told a news conference in Berlin that Germany has not been asked to take part in the air strikes and would not be participating. “To quite clear, we have not been asked to do so and neither will we do so,” Steinmeier said.....snip~


    Now who was assuming Obama knew his allies would not participate......especially when they say they weren't talked to about it? Do you always look to Lie for BO peep?

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So you think ISIS should be given safe haven in Syria?
    Oh good gawd. For the umpteenth time. IS was hiding under a rock until we conducted regime change and overthrew, or otherwise supported the overthrow of Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Reminds me of the treaty of Hidalgo. Btw, imperialism can include annexation of territory, but isn't necessary. US has a history of imperialism.
    Oh yeah? How many of those territories are we holding right now? Let's see... we let go of the Phillipines, Panama, Grenada, Panama, Iraq... In fact, I'm having a harder time thinking of a case where the Russians or the Chinese, didn't try and keep their territory. Only reason the Cold War ended was because the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of a failed economic model, and couldn't keep down the peasants any more...

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh good gawd. For the umpteenth time. IS was hiding under a rock until we conducted regime change and overthrew, or otherwise supported the overthrow of Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad.
    I've never actually heard you come out and say it, but knowing the view you have with Ukraine, I have to ask, Do you think the whole Arab Spring was just some giant CIA operation or something? We did actually like Mubarak you know?

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Arming the MB Backed Rebels now.....training them and giving them weapons, so they can fight ISIL will allow them to take the fight to Assad. Which Iran will not go for that. Its Iran who has been arming the Shia in Iraq and putting together Militias. They already have played their games with the Nuke Talks. Plus now they see BO doesn't even have the backing of our closest allies. That he really doesn't want to deal with this problem.

    Which btw....did you hear Reid on the Senate floor talk about these terrorists? He is all for arming the and funding the MB backed Rebels.
    Reid hasn't had an original thought of his own in years! So who pays attention to anything he says? It's like an echo chamber..... And why BHO's love fixation with the MB? The people who know them best don't like them at all - shouldn't that be taken as some kind of a clue......


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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh good gawd. For the umpteenth time. IS was hiding under a rock until we conducted regime change and overthrew, or otherwise supported the overthrow of Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad.
    I agree but now that we broke it we bought it. We created Isis. Now we need to destroy it.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Assume? What are you trying to make me laugh or something. What the hell you copied and pasted it yourself. Reading is fundamental.


    German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told a news conference in Berlin that Germany has not been asked to take part in the air strikes and would not be participating. “To quite clear, we have not been asked to do so and neither will we do so,” Steinmeier said.....snip~


    Now who was assuming Obama knew his allies would not participate......especially when they say they weren't talked to about it? Do you always look to Lie for BO peep?
    You have problems with comprehension. Saying they were not asked to participate does not mean they were not informed.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Oh yeah? How many of those territories are we holding right now? Let's see... we let go of the Phillipines, Panama, Grenada, Panama, Iraq... In fact, I'm having a harder time thinking of a case where the Russians or the Chinese, didn't try and keep their territory. Only reason the Cold War ended was because the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of a failed economic model, and couldn't keep down the peasants any more...



    I've never actually heard you come out and say it, but knowing the view you have with Ukraine, I have to ask, Do you think the whole Arab Spring was just some giant CIA operation or something?

    I think that looks like some sort of an excuse of past annexations and present imperialism.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I agree but now that we broke it we bought it. We created Isis. Now we need to destroy it.
    Well, join me in raising hell that we keep breaking things in the Middle East and insist that we get the hell out then.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    So you were in favor of leaving a residual force which would have continued losing
    lives as well as continuing the overload of the VA with thousands of more lives?

    Not to mention that Americans were never going to allow Palin to be a heartbeat away from the President.
    A President who finally got another war, one he doesn'ty want to vote on either .
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You know what?

    That 500 or whatever look a lot like the "advisers" first sent into Vietnam..

    We will see how many there are in November....after the mid terms
    Well, I prefer to estimate Obama's actions based on Obama's past actions; not the actions of 3 presidents ranging from 65 to 50 years ago. And so far Obama's policy has pretty consistently been to provide logistical support to resident allies, and leverage our air superiority. I've seen no cause to think he'll do otherwise here, before or after the mid-terms.

    Now, what his predecessor will do if we're still fighting ISIS in two years, I have no idea.

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