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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    No, but you indicated that their numbers are too few to do whatever it is they're going to do; that they'll be in more danger because of their small numbers.
    The only reason their small numbers would place them in undue harm is if they were on the front-lines, or being asked to do what would normally be done by a larger force.


    You know what?

    That 500 or whatever look a lot like the "advisers" first sent into Vietnam..

    We will see how many there are in November....after the mid terms
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What he says and what he does are two different things. He says we have to wipe ISIS/ISIL out. Bet you any amount of money he won't actually do it.


    He wiped out Al Qaeda didn't he?

    Oh wait, that was before Benghazi
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Good speech. Not so good examples of what he thinks are successes. As far as a military strategy is concerned, I tend to be concerned that we are putting our hope in ground forces that so far have accomplished record desertions and set a new standard for fleeing from the enemy.

    Air power will not, and has never, won a war or defeated and enemy.

    What I found most interesting, was the dichotomy of his statements in the speech versus what he was saying just weeks ago, and then trying to present them as if it was his strategy all along - specifically this part: "Moreover, I have made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country, wherever they are. That means I will not hesitate to take action against ISIL in Syria as well as Iraq. This is a core principle of my presidency: If you threaten America, you will find no safe haven."

    Also, he couched the entire speech as if it were some counter-terrorism campaign, yet ISIS has tanks, rocket launchers and is a real Army. Not a bunch of guys that are planning suicide bombings (although they do that as well), but a real Army, with money, heavy weapons and thousands of soldiers. I don't think that a counter-terrorist strategy is what is needed when this is a real war, which will be waged on the ground with ground troops, armor and heavy weapons. None of which the Arab countries, especially Iraq, is prepared to do.

    I hope he is successful. I thought he gave a good speech. I just don't think it's going to be successful. I hope I'm wrong.
    I would generally agree with you in this post, and point out that the bolded, is the same thing Bush said, and he wasn't successful at that, and neither will Obama be. And since Obama bears so much of the responsibility for the growth and strength of militant Islamic groups in the region in general, and IS in particular, I don't fancy listening to his suggestions on how to fix it. But then he's the CIC.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL That's a hoot. Obama said very clearly that he will give ISIS no safe haven and now you are complaining? That's why Bush couldn't get Bin Laden, he refused to go into Pakstan without their approval. Are you saying Obama should not have pursued Bin Laden in Pakistan too? Do you think we are unable to mount airstrikes in Syria without help?
    I don't believe he is complaining that the U.S. will take further action against ISIS. A robust strategy is needed.

    It is incredible that far from having put in place a "broad coalition" to combat ISIS, the U.S. has actually just begun trying to do so. That longtime strategic allies such as Germany and the UK were not already on board in some capacity and that the nation's Arab allies weren't already on board is deeply troubling. All of those countries should have been consulted intensively, roles developed, and commitments made before the speech was delivered or the language about a broad coalition should have been excluded from the speech. What happens if support turns out to be limited? While Washington might complain about reluctant allies, the problem will rest solely with the lack of preparation. A lot of intense preparation should be undertaken and only then should the U.S. move. The U.S. should not move before the necessary pieces are in place.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL That's a hoot. Obama said very clearly that he will give ISIS no safe haven and now you are complaining? That's why Bush couldn't get Bin Laden, he refused to go into Pakstan without their approval. Are you saying Obama should not have pursued Bin Laden in Pakistan too? Do you think we are unable to mount airstrikes in Syria without help?
    Whats a real hoot was when BO said the war to fight was in Afghanistan.....the one he lost. The same place he said AQ could not be given a safehaven. Yet he has allowed AQ back into Afghanistan. Has allowed ISIL to create a safehaven.

    There is no comparison to Bush and Bin laden has nothing to do with any of this.

    Glad you noted our 2 closest allies saying they will not Strike anything in Syria. Wonder if you can figure out that part about not talking to them before BO gave his speech?

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well Russia wasn't the only one DS.....but they do have a point as BO and team do want to get rid of Assad. But then from BO's speech and his calling it a 4 pronged attack. He talked about our allies are helping out with the Airstrikes in Iraq. Aid and Airstrikes.

    But now Syria.....that's a different story. Here from our #1 Strategic Ally.




    Britain’s foreign secretary says his country won’t participate in airstrikes on Syria, following an announcement from Washington that it would begin hitting targets inside the country.

    Speaking Thursday after talks with his German counterpart Frank-Walter Steinmeier, Philip Hammond said Britain won’t be “revisiting” the issue after Parliament decided last year against participating in airstrikes.....snip~

    Britain: Won't take part in airstrikes on Syria


    Now Germany.


    The foreign ministers of Germany and Britain said on Thursday they would not be taking part in air strikes in Syria against the Islamic State militant group.

    German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told a news conference in Berlin that Germany has not been asked to take part in the air strikes and would not be participating. “To quite clear, we have not been asked to do so and neither will we do so,” Steinmeier said.....snip~

    Germany, Britain say won't take part in anti-IS air strikes in Syria | Reuters


    It looks as though BO, and his political team wrote a speech without building the necessary commitment from allies to allow them to be part of a united front on global security.

    Hows that in comparison with his Speech? If he didn't even talk with our closest allies before this speech. Where do you think that leaves him on the rest of his 4 prong attack?
    Hey there MMC, UK holding their position from a year ago, after Obama's red line fiasco.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Montecresto.

    Well said! We shouldn't be there at all, as the beheadings of Americans recently proved their hatred of us! If they think that killing and terrorizing their own people is the will of Allah, who are we to tell them their religion is wrong? No one wants to hear that - it's blasphemy to them. That's why one should never ever try to deal with religious fanatics, IMO. Didn't the Inquisition teach people anything?
    Hello Polgara, true enough, but then it's not that we're just there to interfere in feuds between the Sunni and the Shia.


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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    He wiped out Al Qaeda didn't he?

    Oh wait, that was before Benghazi
    Um... no? Al Qaeda is still alive and well.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Whats a real hoot was when BO said the war to fight was in Afghanistan.....the one he lost. The same place he said AQ could not be given a safehaven. Yet he has allowed AQ back into Afghanistan. Has allowed ISIL to create a safehaven.

    There is no comparison to Bush and Bin laden has nothing to do with any of this.

    Glad you noted our 2 closest allies saying they will not Strike anything in Syria. Wonder if you can figure out that part about not talking to them before BO gave his speech?
    I love how you assume things and then think that makes them facts. Obama certainly knew that the allies would not participate in Syria. He doesn't care. Just like with Bin Laden.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You know what?

    That 500 or whatever look a lot like the "advisers" first sent into Vietnam..

    We will see how many there are in November....after the mid terms
    Exactly, and in the past weeks, haven't we already sent in 275 one time and 4-500 another.
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