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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    Why do you think they're "going with so few numbers"? They aren't going in a combat capacity. Most will probably be in Baghdad doing training and information collation. Some might be closer to danger collecting data or providing logistical support, but those individuals wouldn't be any alone than they would be if we sent 100,000. They'll be with Iraqi and Kurdish forces.

    Those 475 troops aren't doing the same duty that tens of thousands did before, nor are they expected to accomplish the same goals on their own.
    I don't believe I commented on their mission or their goals.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Is that a story you have to tell yourself to make you feel better?
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    More nonsense. Obama oversaw the plan and execution to get Bin Laden - (in Pakistan).

    Your just eating sour grapes. Obama did what he said he was going to do, now he's going after ISIS: we've all had enough.
    First off, the intelligence work leading to Bin Laden's death goes back into the Bush administration, so under your logic, he deserves at least co-credit if you are going to want to assign credit to Presidents. Unless you are trying to imply that Obama was actually with the Special Forces as they stormed the compound, and personally put the bullet into his head. Also, under your logic, should we also congratulate Bush for not having an attack on American soil after 9/11, and blame Obama for being several?
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    He's saying we're maintaining the status quo of continued meddling, interference, intervention, destabilisation, regime change, and general enforcement of chaos. And the defense contractors, Halliburton, KBR, etc., are grinning. Oh, and Russia and China, are forging ever closer.
    I find it entertaining how people assume that Russia will be against any action against ISIS, when their ally in the ME (Assad of Syria) has been raging a civil war for the past couple of years. If there is to be an alliance against ISIS, one would assume Syria would be playing a big role. My question in all of this is how does this play into out support of the "good" rebels in Syria?

    Oh and if you are really going to talk about interference, keep in mind, Russia's the country that has been annexing parts of sovereign countries lately... not the US.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Good speech. Not so good examples of what he thinks are successes. As far as a military strategy is concerned, I tend to be concerned that we are putting our hope in ground forces that so far have accomplished record desertions and set a new standard for fleeing from the enemy.

    Air power will not, and has never, won a war or defeated and enemy.

    What I found most interesting, was the dichotomy of his statements in the speech versus what he was saying just weeks ago, and then trying to present them as if it was his strategy all along - specifically this part: "Moreover, I have made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country, wherever they are. That means I will not hesitate to take action against ISIL in Syria as well as Iraq. This is a core principle of my presidency: If you threaten America, you will find no safe haven."

    Also, he couched the entire speech as if it were some counter-terrorism campaign, yet ISIS has tanks, rocket launchers and is a real Army. Not a bunch of guys that are planning suicide bombings (although they do that as well), but a real Army, with money, heavy weapons and thousands of soldiers. I don't think that a counter-terrorist strategy is what is needed when this is a real war, which will be waged on the ground with ground troops, armor and heavy weapons. None of which the Arab countries, especially Iraq, is prepared to do.

    I hope he is successful. I thought he gave a good speech. I just don't think it's going to be successful. I hope I'm wrong.
    I see it as political theatre for the reasons presented above.

    This is about the mid terms more than it is about success on the battlefield. Your doubts about the ground forces are valid and more. The US has been trying to build an army in Iraq since they destroyed Saddam's and has not succeeded. The question must be asked what's different now?


    And the question need be asked 'who are in this coalition and what are their respective roles?'

    I am also concerned that he again has chosen to further the on-going war with congress by insisting he needs no authorization. The nation is weary and more from this internal war. I would have gained some respect for him had he, finally, chosen to sit down with congressmen on both sides of the aisle and allow at least the appearance of unity at home.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I don't believe I commented on their mission or their goals.
    No, but you indicated that their numbers are too few to do whatever it is they're going to do; that they'll be in more danger because of their small numbers.
    The only reason their small numbers would place them in undue harm is if they were on the front-lines, or being asked to do what would normally be done by a larger force.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    No, but you indicated that their numbers are too few to do whatever it is they're going to do; that they'll be in more danger because of their small numbers.
    The only reason their small numbers would place them in undue harm is if they were on the front-lines, or being asked to do what would normally be done by a larger force.
    I didn't say anything about their numbers being too few to do whatever it is they're going to do either. Try again. Will they be in more danger because of their small numbers? Well, there will be 475 of them against an estimated 27,000+ ISIS fighters in Iraq and who knows how many other fighters with other terrorist groups? How effective has the Iraqi military been in keeping these people from seizing major portion of Iraq? How much do you trust the Iraqi government to put themselves at risk to protect and defend our 475 people?

    The people being kidnapped, tortured, beheaded, and blown up are almost never in direct conflict or combat or contact with the terrorists. But they are just as dead.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    He still doesn't believe that ISIS is a threat and even if they are, its our fault for making them mad. Thats why there's all the equivocation and the denial that ISIS is Islamic. I wonder what he thinks the first "I" in ISIS is. Word from the white house was that much effort was used in convincing a last holdout on making a firm statement about ISIS. It was the guy they always had to drag off the golf course.



    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    As for the speech. It's been getting lotsa praise ... last night and this AM.
    I have to say, I was listening for something new.
    Something that hasn't been happening already ... I didn't hear it.
    Something that said "We're going to bomb the crap out of ISIS(L) home bases in Syria" ... but I didn't hear it.
    The closest thing I heard was "That means I will not hesitate to take action against ISIL in Syria, as well as Iraq."
    Now, after almost 6 years we all should know that doesn't mean he's going to bomb them in Syria.
    I could have missed the definitive language.
    Maybe he will, but you really have to parse this guy.
    He always covers all sides.
    (You know, it was a video, it was an act of terror, it was a video etc.)

    The other thing that struck me was the language that ISIL is not really an Islamic State, no one recognizes it as an Islamic State, and the Islamists were not really Islamic.
    So why the hell does he keep calling them ISIL?
    Why not go for accuracy and call them Islamic radical terrorists.
    But no, he's still clings to the notion that bad guys will behave once they realize he's a swell guy who knows we're no better than anyone else.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The military got bin Laden. Obama just happened to be in office when it happened. He had nothing directly to do with capturing bin Laden.
    GW Bush had nothing to do with overthrowing Saddam either then so why does he brag about it? The fact is that Bush and McCain both stated that they would not go into Pakistan to hunt Bin Laden without their Govts approval. That means they would NEVER have gotten Bin Laden. Obama has stated that he will not allow terrorists ANY safe haven and that is the difference.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    He still doesn't believe that ISIS is a threat and even if they are, its our fault for making them mad. Thats why there's all the equivocation and the denial that ISIS is Islamic. I wonder what he thinks the first "I" in ISIS is. Word from the white house was that much effort was used in convincing a last holdout on making a firm statement about ISIS. It was the guy they always had to drag off the golf course.
    It is apparent that you didn't listen to the speech at all. You may have had it on but you heard nothing the President said.

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