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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    When it comes to fighting terrorists Obama has put his money where his mouth is. I didn't watch the whole speech; just enough to understand what he's going to do with ISIS and I support that.
    What he says and what he does are two different things. He says we have to wipe ISIS/ISIL out. Bet you any amount of money he won't actually do it.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Given Obama's propensity to make grandiose speeches and then forget about it--his track record on follow through has not been great--I take pretty much anything he says with a huge grain of salt. I don't trust him to have a clue about what he is talking about--he dutifully reads whatever his staff puts on the teleprompter--and I don't trust him to have any kind of personal conviction about much of anything other than what makes Obama feel good, feel important, feel gratified.

    But the one thing that caught my attention in the speech was that 475 troops he plans to send into the mess over there. If it was your husband or wife or son or daughter among that 475, how happy would you be to know that they are going with so few numbers into the ISIS strong hold and thousands of terrorist minded, hate-filled people who would love nothing better than to behead those 475 soldiers?
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What he says and what he does are two different things. He says we have to wipe ISIS/ISIL out. Bet you any amount of money he won't actually do it.
    Hey man; he got Bin Laden.... He doesn't like those people. GW did absolutely nothing, so talk about what one says and what one does!
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    There was no formal declaration of war. The "War Against Terror" isn't.

    Declared wars are more clearly defined, as they must be if they are to be committed action of a nation. We still have no clearly defined mission in Iraq. We have, as we have had since Bush's war, a moveable mission at best, made up and amended as they go along. The "War on Terror" is a PR term created for the masses by the extremely talented and far sighted propaganda apparatus of the Bush Administration. It was perhaps the greatest accomplishment of the Bush Administration. They mastered it.
    I'm not sure there's a way for any war against terrorists not to be a moving target. They move from country to country. Their groups break apart and reform under new names. They attack not only us, but allies and even citizens within the countries they're based in. Our forefathers didn't know this kind of war. The enemy's "side" isn't defined by uniform or servitude to a consistent government within consistent borders.

    If Congress were required to issue a new declaration every time names changed or borders were crossed, there'd probably have had to have been a dozen separate declarations just to do what we've done already. And I'd put forth that such a process would desensitize the American people and the notion of "declaring war" wouldn't even be seen as a substantial thing any longer.

    Fearmongering? Fearmongering is now synonymous with warmongering. Same, same. I support neither.

    Forgive me, I am a Vietnam Vet. I have learned to be a pragmatist. Saying the new addition to the "War on Terror" won't escalate is tantamount to "I'll only put it in a little bit, promise."

    Sadly that is probably correct. If most Americans had actually made an actual commitment and suffered a palpable sacrifice perhaps they wouldn't have forgotten so soon. If we had declared yet another war, after a declaration of war in Iraq and one for Afghanistan and one for Yemen, and one for Somalia perhaps Americans would have a more realistic understanding of what we are doing and what the costs are in human lives and suffering and the huge financial burden imposed on the nation, and the long term commitments it owes and will owe to its veterans. Up to this point none of that is happening.
    That or they'd be given an unrealistic one.

    My belief is that people don't remember Libya because it was relatively cheap and didn't cost us a lot of resources. Same with Somalia and Pakistan and the mission against ISIS in Iraq up until now. These are examples of fronts in the actual "War on Terror". Iraq certainly wasn't. Afghanistan was much more than that since we went through a whole regime change there, too (which I never liked us doing).

    So with Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan as the model, I really don't think each one needed a separate declaration.

    If you look at the declarations of war surrounding World War 2, we didn't declare war on every country we fought against. There were a lot of countries that sided with the Axis powers that I didn't even know about until looking just now. Americans think we fought against the Japanese, Germans, and Italians; but we also fought against Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Thailand, Finland, and--get this--Iraq.

    We didn't declare war against each country that contributed soldiers against us, nor did we declare war on every European country we had to pass through and kick the Germans out. As clearly defined as we think WW2 was, it was a moving target, too. A clean example is North Africa. We fought against the Axis powers there, but we certainly never declared war because we stepped foot in Libya.

    We went where the enemy was. Just as we do with the "War on Terror".

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Hey man; he got Bin Laden.... He doesn't like those people. GW did absolutely nothing, so talk about what one says and what one does!
    The military got bin Laden. Obama just happened to be in office when it happened. He had nothing directly to do with capturing bin Laden.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The military got bin Laden. Obama just happened to be in office when it happened. He had nothing directly to do with capturing bin Laden.
    Is that a story you have to tell yourself to make you feel better?
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But the one thing that caught my attention in the speech was that 475 troops he plans to send into the mess over there. If it was your husband or wife or son or daughter among that 475, how happy would you be to know that they are going with so few numbers into the ISIS strong hold and thousands of terrorist minded, hate-filled people who would love nothing better than to behead those 475 soldiers?
    Why do you think they're "going with so few numbers"? They aren't going in a combat capacity. Most will probably be in Baghdad doing training and information collation. Some might be closer to danger collecting data or providing logistical support, but those individuals wouldn't be any alone than they would be if we sent 100,000. They'll be with Iraqi and Kurdish forces.

    Those 475 troops aren't doing the same duty that tens of thousands did before, nor are they expected to accomplish the same goals on their own.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The military got bin Laden. Obama just happened to be in office when it happened. He had nothing directly to do with capturing bin Laden.
    And Obama is Commander-in-Chief of the military. It's his military that got Bin Laden.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The military got bin Laden. Obama just happened to be in office when it happened. He had nothing directly to do with capturing bin Laden.
    More nonsense. Obama oversaw the plan and execution to get Bin Laden - (in Pakistan).

    Your just eating sour grapes. Obama did what he said he was going to do, now he's going after ISIS: we've all had enough.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What are your thoughts on the Presidents speech about ISIS?
    He's saying we're maintaining the status quo of continued meddling, interference, intervention, destabilisation, regime change, and general enforcement of chaos. And the defense contractors, Halliburton, KBR, etc., are grinning. Oh, and Russia and China, are forging ever closer.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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