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    The President should act as clearly outlined in the Constitution. Only Congress can declare war. Every time a President takes the nation to war without a formal declaration from Congress Americans and especially military Americans, get ****ed over. It needs to be discussed in Congress and debated and the public must have the opportunity to be involved and to provide input to their representatives and it needs to go to a roll call vote. Congress must assume the burden.

    The American People should know that a US commitment will escalate, that there will be further real losses of personal freedom. The American People must understand that the nation will sacrifice and that the sacrifice will be shared. They must understand that there will be long term financial sacrifices.

    The rah, rah, send Johnny off to war - as long as it's not me or mine - crap has to end. Writing a blank check to fight terror is like writing a blank check to fight the War on Drugs. How's that working out?

    Washington must be held accountable and it starts with a roll call vote regarding a declaration of war. If not, it is more plausible deniability, something this particular Congress has mastered to the point of quagmire.

    There are many, many very important reasons that only Congress declare war, as per the Constitution.
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    No blood for oil... No blood for oil!!... Biden lied people died..... Biden lied people died!! Im just practicing up.

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    Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?-4be330354942f772ada82084fc7f9e78-jpgThe worst president in history keeps getting worse. The community organizer is WEAK.
    The SOF agreement should have been signed. We still have troops in Germany, Japan and Korea.
    Obama came into office with a STABLE Iraq. If we left troops there no of this Islam head-chopping would have happened. Obama said in his speech that "we are safer today" I almost had a stroke.
    Does he think anyone believes that? He wants to do the same thing in Afghanistan.
    Liberals were wrong during the Cold War and they are wrong now.
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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    I'm aware that the WH proposed a $415 billion (DoD) budget.
    I'm not aware of that, but I am aware that the 2011 BCA could cut funding to that level....is this what you are talking about?
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I'm not aware of that, but I am aware that the 2011 BCA could cut funding to that level....is this what you are talking about?
    That's scary and what's Obama going to do about it as the CnC ?

    Not a damn thing and he said if Congress try to repeal BCA that he would veto it.
    Obama also has a pen and a phone if Congress over rules his veto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brich View Post
    The worst president in history keeps getting worse.
    The community organizer is WEAK.

    Obama said in his speech that "we are safer today" I almost had a stroke.
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    "We are safer today"

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I'm not aware of that, but I am aware that the 2011 BCA could cut funding to that level....is this what you are talking about?
    No ... the WH, as it is supposed to do every year and failed to do for the first 4 years of the Obama administration, submits a proposed budget. This budget is then used as a guideline for what the Executive Branch thinks they need to do the job. The House creates the appropriations bills, which either reflect the President's wishes or modify it for what they think is needed, based on inputs from the various government agencies. The Senate is then, though they've failed for the past 5 years, supposed to review the House version, suggest changes where they think appropriate. This is where budgets have gone to die.

    So, in this case (2015), we have:

    1) The WH submitted a proposed budget ( The Budget | The White House ) that recommended $415 billion for Defense (you have to go in and strip the numbers down to operational vs. administrative costs to get to that number). For purposes of discussion, we'll assume that the $495 billion (the overall total) was all operations. (I have no confidence that the WH intended to cut government bureaucrats to get the cost down). Included in that budget were significant cuts to personnel monies - things like cutting commissaries, raising the co-pay on TriCare for veterans, etc. - as well as holding the reimbursement on subsistence and housing allowances (even though the costs of both had gone up), and capping the service pay raise at 1%.

    2) The Department of Defense also does a budget exercise which is floated up to the House. In that submission, they asked for what they thought they needed to meet the military mission.

    3) The House looked at both proposals and settled on $600 billion for DoD activities. This was based on maintaining the service member benefits, as well as funding important operations and systems.

    4) The Senate, once again acting as lap dogs for the President, held to the $495 billion limit. They did this by keeping the service member benefits in place, but cutting the overall size of the military and stopping some new system acquisitions. They were advised by the WH that some of these elements were not needed since we were no longer at war, and, in addition, changed the baseline definition of the mission of the military (a long and convoluted description of which I can provide if you are interested). Suffice it to say, we no longer are as dominant a force as we were three years ago. It was this maneuver that enabled the President to pretend he cut DoD costs, while maintaining our security postures. Those of us in the business would STRONGLY disagree (more on that also, if you wish).

    5) In order to get a budget passed, the House acquiesced on the $495 billion limit, recognizing that they had protected the troops. (Clearly, they recognized that stalling the budget - for any reason - was not a politically viable solution.)

    Does that answer your question, or did I miss?

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The Middle East is the Arab League's problem and it's time we stop pimping out our military to them. If they want bodies to throw at their enemies then they can choose them from among their own citizenry instead of ours.
    Let me guess ... and we have no national interests in the Middle East, right?

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    Re: Thoughts on Presidents Speech about ISIS and US Actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    No ... the WH, as it is supposed to do every year and failed to do for the first 4 years of the Obama administration, submits a proposed budget.
    False, the Obama WH has submitted a budget every year.

    FDsys - Browse BUDGET


    This budget is then used as a guideline for what the Executive Branch thinks they need to do the job. The House creates the appropriations bills, which either reflect the President's wishes or modify it for what they think is needed, based on inputs from the various government agencies. The Senate is then, though they've failed for the past 5 years, supposed to review the House version, suggest changes where they think appropriate. This is where budgets have gone to die.

    So, in this case (2015), we have:

    1) The WH submitted a proposed budget ( The Budget | The White House ) that recommended $415 billion for Defense (you have to go in and strip the numbers down to operational vs. administrative costs to get to that number). For purposes of discussion, we'll assume that the $495 billion (the overall total) was all operations. (I have no confidence that the WH intended to cut government bureaucrats to get the cost down). Included in that budget were significant cuts to personnel monies - things like cutting commissaries, raising the co-pay on TriCare for veterans, etc. - as well as holding the reimbursement on subsistence and housing allowances (even though the costs of both had gone up), and capping the service pay raise at 1%.

    2) The Department of Defense also does a budget exercise which is floated up to the House. In that submission, they asked for what they thought they needed to meet the military mission.

    3) The House looked at both proposals and settled on $600 billion for DoD activities. This was based on maintaining the service member benefits, as well as funding important operations and systems.

    4) The Senate, once again acting as lap dogs for the President, held to the $495 billion limit. They did this by keeping the service member benefits in place, but cutting the overall size of the military and stopping some new system acquisitions. They were advised by the WH that some of these elements were not needed since we were no longer at war, and, in addition, changed the baseline definition of the mission of the military (a long and convoluted description of which I can provide if you are interested). Suffice it to say, we no longer are as dominant a force as we were three years ago. It was this maneuver that enabled the President to pretend he cut DoD costs, while maintaining our security postures. Those of us in the business would STRONGLY disagree (more on that also, if you wish).

    5) In order to get a budget passed, the House acquiesced on the $495 billion limit, recognizing that they had protected the troops. (Clearly, they recognized that stalling the budget - for any reason - was not a politically viable solution.)

    Does that answer your question, or did I miss?
    You missed, since you could not show your $415B...but more importantly, you missed that this budget needs to be in compliance with the 2013 BBA...which everyone knows...is Ryan and Murray's baby....AND....well...you left a few things out....


    The U.S. Department of Defense is requesting $495.6 billion in authority for the base budget in FY 2015 in line with the Budget Control Act, or BCA, caps as revised by the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2013. The department, however, envisions future base budgets that exceed the BCA caps from FY 2016 to FY 2019. Overall, the Pentagon is asking for $115 billion more than the BCA caps over the next five years in current dollars.
    The request also includes an additional $26 billion in FY 2015 for the defense portion of President Barack Obama’s Opportunity, Growth and Security Initiative, or OGSI; the initiative is intended to fund readiness, investment, and installation spending not included in the base budget. If appropriated, however, this $26 billion would breach the BCA caps, triggering a sequester unless Congress revisits the caps.
    The Pentagon’s FY 2015 request also includes a placeholder request of $79 billion in Overseas Contingency Operations, or OCO, funding. The department has said that it cannot provide a more accurate estimate of war-funding requirements until a bilateral security agreement is signed with Afghanistan, but experts believe it will total between $50 billion and $79 billion. OCO funding is effectively exempt from the BCA caps. In addition to future base budgets that exceed the BCA caps, DOD’s FY 2015 request includes placeholder OCO requests of $30 billion annually—in current dollars—for FY 2016 to FY 2019.
    Congress also requested that DOD submit an unfunded priorities list that outlines programs it would like to fund that did not make the budget. These requests total about $36 billion. Again, any appropriations to this $36 billion list would be subject to the BCA caps and would trigger sequestration unless they were offset or the caps were revised, meaning that the unfunded priorities list is essentially a wish list for Congress to consider. The services’ unfunded priorities lists overlap with the defense portion of the OGSI list but request additional funding for aircraft and the Air National Guard.
    DOD’s total budget request is therefore $601 billion: $496 billion for the base budget, $26 billion for the defense portion of the OGSI, and $79 billion for OCO. Including the portions of the congressionally requested unfunded priorities list that are distinct from the OGSI items would further increase the total request.

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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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