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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    In the beginning, neoconservatives were more concerned with domestic policy than foreign policy thus strongly opposed the counterculture movement of the 1960s, which they blatantly called anti-Americanism. The Vietnam War served as the catalyst that separated the Democratic Party into two factions: the anti-war faction and the war-supporting neoconservatives.
    This author is really confused, since the Vietnam war was foreign policy, and protest against it were protests against FP, how in the world could any of it be associated with "domestic policy"?

    Good grief, AR.....do you think at all about what you quote?
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Maybe I'm just dumb, huh?
    Your words, not mine.


    And you still cannot find ANY definition beyond catch phrases.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    No, they are not and I've been saying it for a long time. They do not follow any of the traditional conservative values. They are not fiscally conservative, they spend money like drunken sailors, just like the liberals. They are not for small government, government has grown under neo-con control, just like it has under the liberals. They are not interested in keeping the government out of the lives of the public, just like the liberals. There is nothing conservative about the neo-cons, which isn't surprising because they came from disenfranchised Southern Democrats!

    The neo-cons are just as liberal as the liberals are, they just wear a different hat.
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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Your words, not mine.

    And you still cannot find ANY definition beyond catch phrases.
    I guess I just cain't express myself like you edumacated folks.

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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Here's an interesting piece from the American Conservative:

    What’s a Neoconservative? | The American Conservative

    According to this author, the neoconservative view of America policing the world to rid it of evil is not really traditional conservative value, but rather a liberal one:

    So, to quote a message board MC, what say ye? Are the neocons really conservatives?
    As it relates to the modern (let's say past 30 years) american politics and ideological definitions, Neo-Conservatives would tend to be more accurately described as Conservative than Liberal.

    While aspects of the Neoconservative agenda of the past two decades have borrowed from liberal policy ideas, tactics, or princpiles for the most part they'd been primarily conservative. And even those things that were borrowed were typically used in line with some foundational conservative thought.

    Fiddy's really the best to speak to this, though I think he generally (rightly so) focused primarily on the foreign policy views of Neo-Conservatives.

    If you're speaking of the ones most typical thought of, ie those of the Bush years, I'd define a neo-conservative as:

    An individual who domestically feels that the government can and should be used as a means of promoting and codifying traditional american values. As it relates to foreign policy, believes that free markets mixed with the spread of a western (and specifically american) stylized brand of democracy to chaotic/antagonistic states is tantamount to the security of the United States.

    In more basic and stereotyped terms...

    Domestically they took a more liberal approach (in terms of viewing the government as a tool to use as opposed to an impediment to remove) to pushing traditionally conservative goals. Internationally it becomes a bit more conflicted as there seems to be a chaotic mix in both liberal and conservative ideology in terms of the role and use of the military.

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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I just cain't express myself like you edumacated folks.
    Again, your words...not mine.

    And you still cannot find ANY definition beyond catch phrases.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Again, your words...not mine.

    And you still cannot find ANY definition beyond catch phrases.
    Would you like to declare victory and move on? I suggest you include a few smilies and the phrases "facts win again" and "I accept your concession" (or howmever youse articulate fancy pantses people do them there thangs).



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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Libertarians?



    Libertarians?



    In what realm?
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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Compassionate Conservatives.

    They were so not conservative, they had to make up a new name.

    The rapid expansion of government tipped their hand.
    Oh get of the high horse for freaking sake. Conservatives have always expanded government.. there has not been a "fiscal conservative no government" right winger ever. What the neocons did/do is what all conservatives have always done... meddle in areas of society that will give them as much influence, power and money as possible and they use government to do so.
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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Would you like to declare victory and move on? I suggest you include a few smilies and the phrases "facts win again" and "I accept your concession" (or howmever youse articulate fancy pantses people do them there things).
    Victory?

    FFS, I would be satisfied just in seeing you post, link.....or define for yourself beyond what you have produced so far.

    It is as if my challenge has been interpreted as a call to shrivel up.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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