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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    How about a definition in a sentence or two.

    If I were to set the definition, it would be: A hawk libertarian. (See edits to my post you quoted)
    That is not a definition.
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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Instead of insisting others provide you with the definition (which you can then deny infinitely), go ahead and find a definition you agree with.
    I already did, extensively; perhaps re-read the thread. I'm offering to engage in the topic of the OP give another's definition.

    Do you have anything to offer?


    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    A definition of these foreign policy neoconservatives in the late 90's? A rough conceptualization:

    Neo-Reganite Conservative (or Neo-Reaganite Neoconservative): A conservative primarily concerned with maintaining American hegemony with free markets while simultaneously promoting liberal democratic values in rogue states, through force if necessary to secure the national interest.
    Free markets contradict liberal democratic values?

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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post

    Free markets contradict liberal democratic values?
    Markets is an important component, but attached is concerns of genocide, imprisonment, closed borders, free speech, and so on.
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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    That is not a definition.
    Yes, it is. It's mine. I do not demand you accept my conceptualization of 'neocon'. Are you here to complain or debate?

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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Compassionate Conservatives.
    Libertarians?

    They were so not conservative, they had to make up a new name.
    Libertarians?

    The rapid expansion of government tipped their hand.
    In what realm?

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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Compassionate Conservatives.

    They were so not conservative, they had to make up a new name.

    The rapid expansion of government tipped their hand.
    It's similar to One Nation Conservatism of Benjamin Disraeli, Progressive Conservatism, and so on.
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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Markets is an important component, but attached is concerns of genocide, imprisonment, closed borders, free speech, and so on.
    Is economic freedom not speech?

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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Is economic freedom not speech?
    It is, but it isn't the whole of speech.
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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It is, but it isn't the whole of speech.
    Economic freedom is expression?

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    Re: Are Neocons Really Conservatives?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Here's an interesting piece from the American Conservative:

    What’s a Neoconservative? | The American Conservative

    According to this author, the neoconservative view of America policing the world to rid it of evil is not really traditional conservative value, but rather a liberal one:



    So, to quote a message board MC, what say ye? Are the neocons really conservatives?
    Well, given the number of left leaning (therefore presumed "communist") democracies (mostly in Latin America) that the US toppled and replaced with right wing dictators, its hard to imagine a goal to defend democracy around the world. American (business) "interests" around the world is what drives most foreign policy.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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