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    Re: Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Opinions on what Native Americans thought about "The Redskins" being used would have been considerably less valued a hundred years ago than even today, so "tradition" is irrelevant.
    And if for some reason natives were offended by the word America, origins related to an Italian cartographer, should the United States be forced to change their name?

    Canada got its name from the Huron-Iroquois word Kanata, meaning village. If suddenly the Huron and/or Iroquois Indians decided the use of the word offends them, should Canada change its name?

    Lots of people are offended by lots of things and often for no other reason than they want/need attention. Pardon me if I have no time to coddle their unhealthy needs/desires.
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    Re: Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And if for some reason natives were offended by the word America, origins related to an Italian cartographer, should the United States be forced to change their name?

    Canada got its name from the Huron-Iroquois word Kanata, meaning village. If suddenly the Huron and/or Iroquois Indians decided the use of the word offends them, should Canada change its name?

    Lots of people are offended by lots of things and often for no other reason than they want/need attention. Pardon me if I have no time to coddle their unhealthy needs/desires.
    As I told Montecresto, freedom of speech allows you to say and think that. Just don't expect your opinions on things you're not qualified to discuss to actually be worth anything. I can crash a physics forum frequented by actual physicists and start throwing my completely uneducated thoughts into their discussions, but it would just be silly of me to expect them to value my contributions.

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    Re: Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Indifference? Or resigned to the fact that nobody was going to give a crap what they thought and now they're saying, "Wait, you mean our opinions count now? Dayum!"

    However, our give-and-take is irrelevant as the final say goes to the Native Americans. I mean, we're allowed to discuss it, certainly...free speech and all that...it's just that in the end our opinions matter less than a warm bucket of hyena offal compared to the people those terms are used for.

    Like I said earlier, a bunch of Christians can get together and decide that "kike" isn't offensive. It doesn't mean I'm obliged to assign any value to that decision.
    Yes indifference, it's not as though they weren't asked if the name redskins was offensive. They were asked and not ten years ago, 91% said no! So yes, there is good reason to believe there are others sticking a stick in this and stirring it up, and perhaps its Indians, the poorest amongst us that have been convinced of financial benefits if they insist on this.
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    Re: Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    As I told Montecresto, freedom of speech allows you to say and think that. Just don't expect your opinions on things you're not qualified to discuss to actually be worth anything. I can crash a physics forum frequented by actual physicists and start throwing my completely uneducated thoughts into their discussions, but it would just be silly of me to expect them to value my contributions.
    I agree with you that it's for the native Americans to decide whether or not its offensive. It's just my opinion, while we're all offering them up here, that this about face in the last few years is suspicious.
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    Re: Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes indifference, it's not as though they weren't asked if the name redskins was offensive. They were asked and not ten years ago, 91% said no! So yes, there is good reason to believe there are others sticking a stick in this and stirring it up, and perhaps its Indians, the poorest amongst us that have been convinced of financial benefits if they insist on this.
    And did they give a reason for the shift in their opinions? I'd like to see those polls, by the way.

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    Re: Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    not some, if the majority don't care, then yes we can.
    How do you plan on doing that. Going out and polling everyone who is Chinese or has Chinese descent? There is a reason why something is called a racial slur, it carries a negative connotation with it.


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    Re: Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I agree with you that it's for the native Americans to decide whether or not its offensive. It's just my opinion, while we're all offering them up here, that this about face in the last few years is suspicious.
    Public thought on things change all the time. I'm more interested in their reasons for that shift than yours, respectfully speaking.

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    Re: Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    As I told Montecresto, freedom of speech allows you to say and think that. Just don't expect your opinions on things you're not qualified to discuss to actually be worth anything. I can crash a physics forum frequented by actual physicists and start throwing my completely uneducated thoughts into their discussions, but it would just be silly of me to expect them to value my contributions.
    Yes, freedom of speech - wonderful thing - it would be a principle to live by and fight for - funny how the American government decided to remove the Washington Redskin's name patent protection without cause, thus denying them their actual free speech rights.
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    Re: Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Public thought on things change all the time. I'm more interested in their reasons for that shift than yours, respectfully speaking.
    People up here are smoking if they think that Native Americans give a **** about this.

    In all of Latin America they're more worried about the massive amounts of oppression they face.

    Here in the USA they don't really complain that much.

    It would be stupid for the few that do to complain about this instead of the massive amounts of alcoholism and sexual abuse in Native populations since their culture was massacred and they were forced onto tiny lands.
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    Re: Which of these Indian mascot/team names do you believe to be offensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Public thought on things change all the time. I'm more interested in their reasons for that shift than yours, respectfully speaking.
    For argument's sake, I believe your user name is offensive since it denotes papist oppression in my opinion and an affront to gender equality - it's extremely offensive. I might be in a minority of one, but only my opinion counts so you should change it.
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