View Poll Results: Hawks owner Bruce Levenson to sell team... Appropriate or PC run amok?

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    Re: Hawks owner Bruce Levenson to sell team... Appropriate or PC run amok?

    Here's some excerpts from the email:

    In the email sent in August 2012, Levenson shared his observations of the fan experience at Hawks games. He said he concluded "southern whites'' were uncomfortable at games.

    "My theory is that the black crowd scared away the whites and there are simply not enough affluent black fans to build a significant season ticket base,'' Levenson said in the email released Sunday by the Hawks.

    "Please don't get me wrong. There was nothing threatening going on in the arena back then. I never felt uncomfortable, but I think southern whites simply were not comfortable being in an arena or at a bar where they were in the minority.''

    Levenson said Hawks crowds are 70 percent black, the team's cheerleaders are black and hip-hop music was played.

    "Then I start looking around at other arenas,'' Levenson said. "It is completely different.''

    Levenson said he often heard fans say the area around Philips Arena in downtown Atlanta is dangerous.

    "This was just racist garbage,'' Levenson said. "When I hear some people saying the arena is in the wrong place I think it is code for there are too many blacks at the games.''

    Though he said he disagreed with the conclusion, he said he told team executives to add white cheerleaders and music "familiar to a 40-year-old white guy.''

    Added Levenson in the email: "I have even bitched that the kiss cam is too black.''
    Atlanta Hawks owner Bruce Levenson selling team - ESPN

    As far as selling the team, I think he seen how the court of public opinion has treated Donald Sterling and is pre-emptively bowing out (after issuing a public mea culpa) rather than put himself and his family through a possible ****storm.
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    Re: Hawks owner Bruce Levenson to sell team... Appropriate or PC run amok?

    Levenson said he reported the email to the NBA himself. So either a. he's lying, or b. this guy has a serious conscience.
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    Re: Hawks owner Bruce Levenson to sell team... Appropriate or PC run amok?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Here's some excerpts from the email:

    Atlanta Hawks owner Bruce Levenson selling team - ESPN

    As far as selling the team, I think he seen how the court of public opinion has treated Donald Sterling and is pre-emptively bowing out (after issuing a public mea culpa) rather than put himself and his family through a possible ****storm.
    I really don't see what's wrong with what he said... race is a perfectly reasonable demographic to use in business decisions. I've heard worse in some meeting rooms. That he has to sell the team because of perfectly normal business language is ridiculous. A fine? Yes. Selling his team? No.
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    Re: Hawks owner Bruce Levenson to sell team... Appropriate or PC run amok?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I really don't see what's wrong with what he said... race is a perfectly reasonable demographic to use in business decisions. I've heard worse in some meeting rooms. That he has to sell the team because of perfectly normal business language is ridiculous. A fine? Yes. Selling his team? No.
    Nobody's making him sell; he's doing it voluntarily.
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    Re: Hawks owner Bruce Levenson to sell team... Appropriate or PC run amok?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Nobody's making him sell; he's doing it voluntarily.
    I didn't say anyone was making him. I said he has to sell. The precedent set by D. Sterling is pretty evident here. This was an unexpected decision made after the overblown **** storm that forced Sterling to sell his team. You think this owner didn't get worried that once this e-mail from 2 years ago got in the wrong hands, it would make him sell his team too? That he'd become persona non-grata at the NBA if he didn't sell? At least this way he has a chance to buy into another team before the media makes a big fuss.
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    Re: Hawks owner Bruce Levenson to sell team... Appropriate or PC run amok?

    He was talking about trying to reach different demographic groups as part of a marking strategy. IMHO he did nothing wrong.
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    Re: Hawks owner Bruce Levenson to sell team... Appropriate or PC run amok?

    Based on the content of the e-mail (which is ultimately complaining about not generating enough revenue) and the fact that he himself has made all of the decisions here (turning in the e-mail, selling his share of the team) it sounds like:

    1. He is the person who is overreacting to his own e-mail
    2. He jumped at a reason to sell the team that would be something other than "It doesn't make money for me"



    I also find it interesting that he stereotyped white people more than black people in his e-mails: White people are too scared of black people to go to games, white people don't like hip hop, white people don't like looking at black cheerleaders, etc.

    His only "stereotype" of black people was that they were generally poorer than white people.
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    Re: Hawks owner Bruce Levenson to sell team... Appropriate or PC run amok?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You think this owner didn't get worried that once this e-mail from 2 years ago got in the wrong hands, it would make him sell his team too?
    He put the email into the leagues hands, though.
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    Re: Hawks owner Bruce Levenson to sell team... Appropriate or PC run amok?

    I think the biggest take away is that there are a lot of assholes running sports teams

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    Re: Hawks owner Bruce Levenson to sell team... Appropriate or PC run amok?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Nobody's making him sell; he's doing it voluntarily.
    Is he? I wonder if he's doing this truly voluntarily, or if a back-room ultimatum was presented to either save face and sell gracefully, or get kicked out ala Sterling?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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