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    Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    I always thought the campaign finance laws were ridiculous.

    Scenario 1: An individual likes everything one politician stands for and wants to help him/her get into the White House by donating some money. It doesn't matter the dollar amount. At least in a society that claims it is supposed to be for the people by the people, this shouldn't even be restricted as it is.

    Scenario 2: Banks, Corporations, Unions, and other populist public interest groups, can donate to the campaigns and political organizations this politician belongs to. Never directly to the individual themselves.

    Conclusion: Isn't it the same thing? and should it just be reformed to reflect scenario one instead of scenario two. So that the 1% can stop hiding behind the cloak of fundraising. So that we as a public can see where each individual truly has allegiances to? I'm not saying that this will automatically happen if individuals were allowed to donate to specific candidates but I think it just makes more sense then setting up small shell organizations to funnel money to friends of politicians who can easily allow them to take whatever the heck they wanted out of said fund. Sure, it's illegal but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen under some of these umbrellas. EX: Bob McDonnel/Ron Paul.

    PS: I don't think corporations should be excluded from campaigns anymore than populist groups. I just think individuals shouldn't be excluded either.

    To me it's one of the most common over-looked problems in DC and number one cause of polarization.
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Money is like water, it always finds it ways to its destination. That is why campaign finance laws will never work, they can't be enforced. I do favor mandatory disclosure of the major funders of broadcast campaign advertising, during the ad and on a website.

    I advocate requiring that broadcast licensees air debates with all eligible candidates and candidate statements several times, including during prime time. That will allow the lesser funded candidates to get exposure, somewhat leveling the playing field.

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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    I always thought the campaign finance laws were ridiculous.

    Scenario 1: An individual likes everything one politician stands for and wants to help him/her get into the White House by donating some money. It doesn't matter the dollar amount. At least in a society that claims it is supposed to be for the people by the people, this shouldn't even be restricted as it is.

    Scenario 2: Banks, Corporations, Unions, and other populist public interest groups, can donate to the campaigns and political organizations this politician belongs to. Never directly to the individual themselves.

    Conclusion: Isn't it the same thing? and should it just be reformed to reflect scenario one instead of scenario two. So that the 1% can stop hiding behind the cloak of fundraising. So that we as a public can see where each individual truly has allegiances to? I'm not saying that this will automatically happen if individuals were allowed to donate to specific candidates but I think it just makes more sense then setting up small shell organizations to funnel money to friends of politicians who can easily allow them to take whatever the heck they wanted out of said fund. Sure, it's illegal but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen under some of these umbrellas. EX: Bob McDonnel/Ron Paul.

    PS: I don't think corporations should be excluded from campaigns anymore than populist groups. I just think individuals shouldn't be excluded either.
    I'm on board, however I believe all donations should be fully disclosed. Even corporate / activist groups should provide disclosure of donors and decision makers that provide the funds and the origin of those dollars. Bottom line some individual name must be attached to the donation.
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post

    1.Money is like water, it always finds it ways to its destination. That is why campaign finance laws will never work, they can't be enforced. I do favor mandatory disclosure of the major funders of broadcast campaign advertising, during the ad and on a website.

    2. I advocate requiring that broadcast licensees air debates with all eligible candidates and candidate statements several times, including during prime time. That will allow the lesser funded candidates to get exposure, somewhat leveling the playing field.
    1. It just makes politics that much more corrupt when it isn't necessary. If scenario one existed, and politicians used money donated directly by people and used those funds to go on a shopping spree and fancy vacations, then it would be much more transparent. People would find out about it much more quickly and they would know not to donate to that person ever again. They would learn who is truly corrupt and who is not. If the politician in question plays with the public's money there would be quick backfire. Since it's much easier to target an individual's spending habits and lifestyle than an organization's or a corporation's.

    2. I'm leaving that to the internal politics of each political party. For the most part the media does a very good job of this. Almost too much of it, muddying it and scaring off the general public. I'll say there needs to be less political debates, but I'm happy with the politics on media during elections. It's all good fun until someone loses. Then the conspiracy theories start.
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I'm on board, however I believe all donations should be fully disclosed. Even corporate / activist groups should provide disclosure of donors and decision makers that provide the funds and the origin of those dollars. Bottom line some individual name must be attached to the donation.
    Agreed. People equally need to know about corporate and activist activities. Sure you may like the corporations that donate to a politicians but most people aren't aware of what the politician does with their spare time unless they want to promote said group. EG activists
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    To allow greater contributions? Hell no. Too many politicians are bought and paid for right now. In fact, I'd support campaign reform to entirely eliminate any and all financial support to candidates, period. Nobody, anywhere, ever, can give any money directly to any candidate for any office. Politicians are supposed to work for all of us, not the ones who write them big fat checks.
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    We have WAY too much private money in elections. The solution isn't more money, it's less. Far far less.
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    To allow greater contributions? Hell no. Too many politicians are bought and paid for right now. In fact, I'd support campaign reform to entirely eliminate any and all financial support to candidates, period. Nobody, anywhere, ever, can give any money directly to any candidate for any office. Politicians are supposed to work for all of us, not the ones who write them big fat checks.
    The way I see it is a bit different. If they are already bought and paid for anyway, then no amount of law is going to make them stop. So why not allow for more individual donations to somewhat level the playing field? Ever wonder why populist groups are most vocal around elections? Or how come attack ads against corporations come at exactly election time, but hardly any other time otherwise? If individuals were allowed to donate more maybe, these groups would actually lose funding and public awareness about the politicians' friends would increase. It's a step in the right direction to your ultimatum. Ban all money from campaigns cannot be accomplished without this task. Just the same way as you cannot ban all lobbyists without lawyers (who are friends w/lobbyists)
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    Re: Would you support Campaign Finance Reform?

    The problem is not solely money, in the end.
    Money is simply the easiest way to transfer power from one human or group of humans to another.

    The problem is humans. We're prone to corruption, it seems.
    If put in a position of power, we seem to become corrupted by it.

    Either this is due to the type of human who goes into politics, which indicates that key flaws exist in the current system...
    Or this is due to humans in general, which also indicates a flaw in the system, but one that will require different repair methods...


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